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Health Insurance Deductibles Up 212 Percent Since 2008

Discussion in 'Health Care' started by camp_steveo, Oct 9, 2018.

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  1. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    ok, you win. Lower prices at the Dr office is a bad thing.

    I don't know the answer, but single payer is not happening. Although I was pretty satisfied with my no deductible, zero copay, platinum health insurance I had prior to the ACA's enactment, after which my employer no longer offered. Thanks Obama.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    And the penis we would all get screwed with under single payer would be about 20% larger once you calculate the difference in taxes.
     
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    Don't thank Obama, thank your employer. They didn't have to do away with your platinum plan, they saw the opportunity and CHOSE TO. At least open your eyes to who is screwing you.
     
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    Average Canadians pay 42.5 per cent of their income in taxes: report
    https://globalnews.ca/news/3691159/canada-taxes-incomes-fraser-institute/

    Does that explain it?
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah, it had nothing to do with the ACA. That is a total coincidence....right....ok...
     
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    Bullshiite. The GAO and CBO both say otherwise. Your out of pocket (payroll tax vs. premiums and no deductibles plus lower prescription prices) costs each year would be lower than you're paying now.
     
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    Canadians pay more in taxes than it cost to live in Canada, and their health care system is completely flawed.
     
    camp_steveo, Oct 9, 2018
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    Still the employer's CHOICE. Recognize where that hand up your ass is coming from.
     
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    How much are your premiums each year? Hint: if you and your employer are paying more than $583/mo combined and have any kind of deductible, the average Canadian is laughing at you for being an ideologically driven fool.
     
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    The average Canadian family making 83k pays 35k a year in taxes. **** that ****.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/3691159/canada-taxes-incomes-fraser-institute/

    An average family with an income of about $83,000 paid roughly $35,000 in taxes last year, the Vancouver, B.C.-based think-tank calculated
     
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    How did Obamacare raise your deductible?
     
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    Of which how much was SPECIFICALLY FOR HEALTH CARE?

    It's like saying your entire tax bill each year goes strictly to Medicare. It might look good on a bumper sticker, but it's more than a little intellectually dishonest.
     
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    Yeah, I've been waiting for him to connect the dots on that one myself...
     
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    No, its like saying that Canada's 'great' HC is too damn expensive. Thats what Im saying.

    As a sole provider in 2016 I made about 50k as a satellite technician. My taxes and health ins premiums were a mere fraction of what canadians pay, and HC in the US is better.
     
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    Apparently the insurance companies thought it was the thing to do once they were forced into giving insurance to uninsurable people with pre-existing conditions. I could be wrong, but it makes sense.
     
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    United States - Population: 326 million Annual Healthcare Expenditures: $3.2 trillion = 17.9% of GDP
    Canada - Population: 37 million Annual Healthcare Expenditures: $228 billion = 11.1% of GDP

    Do the friggin' math. They're spending almost 38% less as a percentage of GDP than we are, and EVERYONE IS COVERED. With no co-pays and no deductibles. The American model is a train-wreck that wastes money and only benefits those making money from it.
     
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    Then provide the actual numbers. How much of that Canadian tax bill is for healthcare? Show a little nuance, and avoid a bumper-sticker answer.
     
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    Welcome to Trumpworld. The rides are free.

    Watch the dancing GOP senators and the whining GOP congressmen.
     
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    So, again - private business CHOSE to stick it up your ass because they COULD. Unless you can point to the specific part of the ACA that FORCED them to stick it up your ass.

    Go ahead, we'll wait...
     
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    How does having pre-existing conditions make you uninsurable?
     
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    What difference does it make? Their tax bill is through the freaking roof.

    KEEP IT UP THERE!
     
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    You have spent to much time in space fixing the plumbing on satellites. While you were up there deductibles ate your lunch.
     
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    How is it insurance if you are already sick? I mean, lets be honest. I am not trying to be hateful to people with disabilities, but how is it a solid business to give out insurance to someone who is sick.
     
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    Maybe, I am not in here to defend them. I will say this though. If they were not forced to take on pre-existing conditions, would they need to raise deductibles? Probably not.
     
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