Here is 25 reasons to support the one true American Party. Republicans.

Have you ever seen any endorsement of open borders by the Democratic party or any Democratic candidate for national office?

 

Just like Michael Myers the "open borders" myth just won't die. No doubt because the Bigot-in-Chief and right wing media keep spewing the lie.

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...44-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill

If Dems are for open borders why did they overwhelmingly support a bill to enhance border security in the Senate...........a bill Obama said he would sign...........but never got to his desk because John Boehner refused to bring it to the floor of the House as he knew he didn't have the support of a majority of Repubs?

 

And teach our sons to steer clear of liberal women!

 

A simple google can answer that. Keith Ellison for one.
Trump Calls Out Democrat for Wearing ‘I Do Not Believe in ...
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/10/trump-calls...
Watch video · President Trump called out Democratic National Committee Chairman Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) for wearing a t-shirt that promoted open borders during a rally on Thursday in Elkhart, Indiana. This week, Ellison was seen wearing a t-shirt that read “I do not believe in borders…

1. NYT ‘Fact Check’ Claims Dems Don’t Want Open Borders
   https://dailycaller.com/.../27/new-york-times-fact-check-open-borders
   After NYT tweeted the fact check out, Twitter users ganged up on them and pointed out the number of Democrats, including Democratic National Committee deputy chair Keith Ellison, calling for open borders.
   
   
2. Democrats Campaigning for Open Borders in 2018 Elections ...
   nikitas3.com/13828/democrat-campaigning-open-borders-2018-elections
   Democrats Campaigning for Open Borders in 2018 Elections Posted on June 29, 2018 by Nikitas Increasing numbers of major figures in the Democrat party are calling for the elimination of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE).
   

 

A. Keith Ellison is not "Democrats" writ large

B. Eliminating ICE is not a call for "open borders' whatever that actually is. ICE is clearly out of control as noted by what they are doing to families on the border...and have been for a long time.

They should be abolished and replaced or totally reformed.

Fail

 

LOL did you even read the post I was quoting?
CourtJester said *Have you ever seen any endorsement of open borders by the Democratic party or any Democratic candidate for national office? *

How is that a fail? LOL

 

I like all the deflections about 'Open Borders!', when relaxing immigration has been the agenda of the left for DECADES. Now, they pretend to want regulations, a wall, and controlled immigration? Please. Do you think we have not followed your agenda?

 

Now this is super. You support a totalitarian police state. No wonder you are a fan of Trump. So what kind would you like probably a Theocracy like Saudi Arabia - Trumps good buddies and # 1 State sponsor of Terror.

Tell me more about your love for totalitarianism. Are you a fan of Marx or some other form ?

Military parades are fine .. nothing wrong with that other than its costs money. Trump is actually quite similar to Republican Presidents that have come before him in relation to policy and Democratic ones as well (sans the bluster of course). Trump is an Establishment wonk and is carrying out the Establishment agenda .. just like Obama and those that came before.

Trump is a believer in Eugenics ideology (now renamed "Biological Determinism) He believes that hierarchy in society is a function of genes. This ideology serves to justify his elitism and maintaining that structure. Reagan and Thatcher were adherents to the same ideology - and most of the Establishment international financiers are fond of this ideology.

Of course not - and neither are the Democrats. Suggesting otherwise is dumb and dumber.

Not all immigrants are criminals - this is hyperbolic nonsense. I do not thing those who were born here and have been living 20 years here and know nothing else should be sent out of the country. Is this what Jesus would do ? The fact of the matter is that illegal immigrants are not more likely to commit crimes than the average US citizen.

Neither can these be claimed to have done anything illegal. Rule of law - one person is not to be punished for the crime of another.

In addition - to convict someone of a crime requires 2 things - actus rea and mens rea. Actus rea means you have to have done the crime - Mens rea means you have to have intended it - this the basis for the criminal insanity defense.

These folks who were brought here as children or born here neither committed the crime nor intended it.

 

The illegals are still in the US and have been through every GOP presidency. Why doesn't Trump do something besides hiding behind a static wall?

 

Because Trump's only goal is to satisfy the bloodlust of his base...not to fix the problem.

 

In your opinion ICE is out of control but what is it you claim they are doing to families on the border? I'm sure they are just doing their job but maybe you have heard something I have not?

 

Yeah I think I will stick with the democrats

 

I am only responding to this because the rest is a waste of time. I don't consider children born here to be criminals because they do not know anything other than America but if someone has been here for 20 years that does not give them a free pass. If someone commits murder does that mean 20 years later they are free of that sin? No. Same goes for illegals. Immigrants are not criminals unless they come here illegally which is where my problem lies. If you cross the border illegally then you have no right to be here.

 

Well the problem won't just go away in a day. Trump is doing things to try and help solve the problems of illegal immigration but Democrats and Democratic sanctuary cities are fighting him every chance they get.

 

Trump loves illegals. Both parties do

 

The rest is not a waste of time - you have no understanding of what you speak and were corrected. Sorry to burst the fantasy bubble in which you live but reality is reality.

 

Of course, the trench in US society had never been as deep as it was now ... except before the US Civil War of 1860.

And humanity in relation to the US is quite a mockery ... because humanity counts for the US only so far that it is important in the hostile countries. It's unimportant to friends and allies, as we all know, and like a block on the long list of dictatorships supported by the US since 1900 that give and gave a crap on humanity, democracy, and all the great US values, and no one in the US disturbs it!

 

Shall I come with these evil Presidents of Republicans with names

- Nixon = Watergate
- Reagan and Bush Sr. = Iran Contra affair
- Bush Jr. = illegal and based on lies war against Saddam in 2003

eh?

 

2 out of three are dead.

 

I agree with this observation. The public division and polemy hasn't been this high in over a century.

1. I believe you underestimate, or at least minimize, the influence and significance the American Experiment had upon the rest of the world, even before she became the world hegemony.
2. Dealing with dictators, alliances, threats of war, and the current fears and beliefs of the time should not be judged by modern PC prejudices. I prefer to understand history, not condemn it.
3. The US has given a lot to 'humanity', over her existence. Marginalizing her contributions, and revising the motivations of those in the past is for propagandists, intent on corrupting and destroying the American Experiment.
4. Nobody mourns the decline of America more than me. She has fallen from her 'city on a hill', status, and has become another corrupt vehicle for power mongers and charlatans. Citizen representatives, due process, religious liberty, speech, and other freedoms historically secure for Americans, are under assault, and are fading from the public consciousness.

 

Very well put.

 

Because neither of your links has a quote by either a Democratic party leader or a candidate for national office calling for open borders. Supplying endless right wing propaganda making the claim without evidence just doesn't cut it. Post a link to actual quotes. And no, calling for abolishing ICE and replacing with a competant syatem isn't open borders. ICE has failed in it's mission for decades which is why we are still debating immigration.

 

The Democrats do nothing to fix the open borders problem and fight with Republicans on the issue every chance they get. If the Democratic party was for closed borders they should publicly denounce illegal Mexicans, denounce and fight sanctuary cities, stop supporting any Democrat such as Wheeler who gives financial aid to illegals so they don't get deported, stop calling them dreamers and telling them they can vote, support the wall and support ICE and stop calling to abolish ICE, and publicly say they are all for closed borders and the deportation of illegals. Need I say more?

The Democratic leaders seem to be Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Maxine Waters. Do you really think they are going to do any of that? They can't even admit the child separation issue was their fault.

So Democrats = the party of open borders and illegal immigrants. Prove me wrong or step out of the thread.

 

'I don't believe in borders!', by a sitting congressman AND Democratic National Committee Chairman Keith Ellison is NOT a Democrat statement of position?

I know that revisionism and deflection are important tools of debate for the progressive left, but this claim is even more brazen than usual..

 

Well why not post a link to the actual quote if you can?