Historical mysteries:12,000 Years city in Kurdistan. older then Pyramids, and anythin

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  1. Sandtrap

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    I never knew the Aztecs used early bronze. I was aware they were crafted in creating sharp tools out of volcanic rocks, but I thought only the Incas crafted bronze. True and true.
     
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    Actually, the belief is that he was of Mitanni descent. The Mitttani came from what is now Iran-Iraq-Syria, and were destroyed about 2 generations prior by the Hittite Empire.

    In addition, his mummy has been identified for well over 100 years, and he is not Numidian, but a Semite. For decades there was speculation by some that he might actually be the Joseph of the Bible, but that is not seriously accepted. Most believe his family were expatriate Mittani, which fled the fall of that empire. And this is also in keeping of his title "Lord of the Horse", since the Mittani were known as charioteers.

    Look it up.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=1Q...=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=yuya mittani&f=false

    http://dwij.org/forum/amarna/3_joseph.html
     
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    Well, I got that factoid about Akhanaten's mixed lineage from a PBS piece. So I guess I learned today never to trust that network.
     
  4. Mushroom

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    Most times in situations like this it is not the network, but the documentary creator.

    Kind of like History. Some documentaries are really good, some are complete crap. When they are talking about some excavation in the Jordan River Valley, they are quite informative.

    When they are talking about Aliens in UFOs building the Great Pyramid, I generally turn it off.
     
  5. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    and according you Nubian people are black?
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    by the way Egypt was ruled by many other foreign dynasties, but all of them were hated by the Egyptians. but i have never heard that Syrians have been spaming Internet and TV with : "white Pharaohs ", "Syrian, or Lebanese pharaohs", etc.
     
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    black was a synonym for word - slave in Egypt...
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    Do you have a reference for that?

    I would find that unusual, because slavery was pretty unusual in Egypt. Generally it was at the level of what later became known as "debt bondage", and other then prisoners to the Pharaoh (since Prisons had not been invented yet), it was pretty rare.

    And the Mittani were not prisoners, large numbers of them fled to Egypt after the fall of their kingdom to the Hittites Assyrians.
     
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    Egypt was always so badly overpopulated , thats why they did not need slaves but needed all useless pyramids, and other mega projects

    http://www.ask.com/question/what-does-nubian-mean
    whats funny here, Egypt has never been most developed country in the world, try to compare them with "Ukrainian" migrants The Hittites...
     
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    Wow, really? You use a dictionary as a reference to slavery in Egypt?

    I have absolutely no words to describe how utterly flabbergasted I am at this moment. You have absolutely got to be kidding.
     
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    The site called Gobekli Tepe is at least 9,000 years old and the Kurds are known to be genetically similar to the Jews. The Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH) was found among 10.1% of Kurdish Jews and 1.1% of Kurds and the most frequent Kurdish haplotype (MKH) was shared by 9.5% of Kurds, 2.6% of Sephardim, 2.0% of Kurdish Jews, and 1.3% of Ashkenazim. The common ancestry group of both modern Jews and Kurds could have built the complex, which is consistent with oral history of the ancient Middle East found in the Old Testament.

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  11. litwin

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    what i see here a boar with the erected dic&, are you sure?
     
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    no i dont , semantic of word Nubian is - slave, even in Nubian language
     
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    Reference? Because I have seen many that say otherwise.

    Here is a great one, with multiple possible sources for the word "Nubian". And not a single one has anything to do with "slaves".

    http://shazlyasmail.tripod.com/favorite.htm

    And what is probably the most likely one? The old Egyptian word for gold, "Nab", "Nub" or "Nbw". Because this was also the source for most of the gold in Egypt.

    http://www.ancientsudan.org/geography_01_alternative_names.htm

    http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/article_index/a/ancient_nubia_/_kush.aspx

    So please, what is your reference to it meaning "slave"? I posted 3, and can post a dozen more. And none of them ever mentions "slave".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia
    http://www.answers.com/topic/nubian
    http://looklex.com/e.o/nubia.htm
    http://www.utdallas.edu/~rjstern/egypt/PDFs/SE Desert/KlemmAU.JAES01.pdf
    http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Nubia.aspx
     
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    i will answer you with links later
     
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    Ignore mushroom, he's qouting just another eurocentric con artist who are know for their racism , absolute horrible etiquette too, yuck.. Akhenaten was part Nubian [not numidian, numidians are phoenicians] through his mothers side. The other side was 'likely' native Afrikan also. The supposed 'mittani princess' mentioned, isnt mittani, she was native Afrikan too as her name suggests, Kiya, which is an Afrikan name.

    Europeans; Always trying to take Kemet out of Afrika.:yawn:

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    Is stormfront off line at the moment litwin?
     
  16. litwin

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    a good joke, but a bit too hush?
    http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Nubia.aspx

    here the other nations which derive their names from word slave: Slovenians, Slovaks, Slavonians,
     
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    Seriously, did stormfront get shut down again, iheard it did?

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    Nubian is not an Afrikan word. Their Afrikan name is Ta seti.
     
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    Kemet is an afro - American construction , unfortunately E has always had closer to the ME then with rest of Africa(even A:s Horn) . today E is undoubtedly part of the ME http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/middle_east/
     
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    Im not going to argue with you, its pointless. you've had enough information for today.

    Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast
    ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them
    under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

     
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    have you been in Egypt? i was there 2 times so take my word its not a sub Saharan country like many AA want to think
     
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    how long have you studied Egyptology?
     
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    Wow, a reference which lists what I said, along with yours.

    I guess that was the best you could find. And we are not discussing other cultures, so any references to Slovaks is irrelevant.
     
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    i have seen the people and they have changed much since Pharaohs times and of cos i i have been reading academical books on this subject
     
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    point was that nothing is offensive in word - slave , it least in our part of the world
     
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    The issue is not the word, it is the claim that is the source of the name. And you apparently after days of searching found the only source I have seen which makes that claim. And an unsourced one from what I can find, since scanning some of those references available online said nothing of the kind. And that is only one of many sources as listed in the same reference.

    Yet I find scores that say otherwise.
     

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