Power through chaos. Everyone needs to be in constant fear through terror attacks, or race wars, or being hopelessly in debt. When they get the majority of people dependent on the government for their very lives, they can get us to do anything they want.
I don't think anybody demands your approval or even requests it. You're free to think what you want, believe what you want..
Does Islam mind it's own business? I see this as a chicken or the egg argument. You are from Saudi Arabia correct? If so does your government allow homosexuals the freedom to be who they are?
Saudi Arabia is our Holy Land. Homos are free to go to America, Europe or anywhere else. Does the Vatican city allow for homos to parade around naked there? Why no one criticizes the Vatican city government for restricting homos? Like the Vatican, Saudi Arabia is our Holy Land
Indeed, thus it is silly to claim that "we were forced to respond because the homos picked a fight with us when they should have minded their own business". Sounds like your country does not stay out of the business of gays thus the hypocrisy of your previous statement that I have bolded above. If Islam wants to be tolerated more then perhaps Islam should become more tolerant. By the way, I am glad that you are on the forum to share your perspective as there are not many Muslims that I know of on the forums.
I was referring to the homos who are using social media to attack Islam as viciously as possible. Yes, in many of our countries homosexuality is criminalized. What does that actually entail? Adultery is also criminalized. But the State is not responsible for what people do in the privacy behind closed doors. Punishment is only inflicted for these crimes of sexual indiscretion if it is done so openly and publicly that there are at least 4 witnesses who can testify to it in a court of law. Otherwise there is no witch hunt to proactively seek out homos and put them to death in any Islamic country. But if homos start parading around naked in a Muslim country and engaging in sexual behavior in public that would be a public disturbance to say the least. We are not willing to go down that road even if you are convinced it is necessary for "freedom" and "liberty". We are not willing to have that kind of freedom and liberty where people are parading around naked in public in front of women and children. We have to answer to God and have at least some shame when we claim to be Muslims. Otherwise homos can be as depraved as they want behind closed doors; everyone has to go to their own grave and answer to God. The State does not seek to fulfill the role of God; the State's duty is only to maintain some semblance of sanity in the public sphere.
We? You presume to speak for all Saudi Arabians? What sanity is there in judging harmless action as a negative? What harm does homosexuality in and of itself cause others?
I am speaking on behalf of not only Saudi Arabians but all true Muslims. Our religion does not recognize homosexuality. I already answered your second question if you try to understand it. Homosexuality behind closed doors is between the homosexual and God. God will judge him it's not our business. But we cannot tolerate public expressions of homosexuality because it will harm society. Islamic society is meant to be God-fearing and righteous. Not only homosexuality, any kind of sexual immorality cannot be tolerated in the public space. This is why in Islamic societies there is strict segregation between the sexes and nudity is absolutely prohibited. Men and women dress modestly, covering their nakedness. All avenues that lead to corruption like bars, clubs and the like are not allowed. That is how an Islamic society is suppose to function. It is actually quite ordinary and reasonable, but because of the strange times we are living in such notions are amazingly considered scandalous.
America is not a homogenous nation. America does not belong to white people either. America is individualist not collectivist. All beliefs and values are equally valid as long as people abide by the laws of the State and don't challenge its writ. America has no standard social values nor should it.
And yet TRUE americans reject your views. That much is crystal clear. By the way many muslims have a wide variety of beliefs on homosexuaity
What is a true anything? You do understand I am using the "True Scotsman" fallacy to demonstrate my point? Don't you?
How about this, I'll give you the definition of American (noun) and you give me the definition of Muslim. American - a citizen of the United States of America. Anyone who is a citizen of the U.S. is an American. What is the definition of Muslim?
I had a feeling that this poster is about as typical a Muslim as a extreme Christian is typical of Christians as a class.
Claiming to speak for all Saudis and true Muslims does not mean that you speak for all Saudis and true Muslims. What is a true Muslim if other than Muslims who agree with you? What harm does homosexuality in and of itself cause others? What about homosexuality is immoral? What is reasonable about judging harmless action as immoral?
Which Muslim disagrees with me that homosexuality is immoral? Homosexuality is forbidden in our Religion, as it is forbidden in Judaism, Christianity and many other major world religions. That is the command of God. However, as I keep repeating, if a homosexual confines his practice to private behind closed doors, then it is a matter between him and God. But I hope you at least agree with me that homosexuals engaging in homosexuality in public is immoral and should be outlawed. If not then I can't help you, as you are too far gone.
