its called reality vs naivety/idealism. there are cost associate with free election, to the Chinese its on the bottom of the priority list, after all they seen Syria, arab spring, Iraq, and they don't want to end up like that. oh and there is nothing morally right about blocking airport/train stations, paramedic, ransack buildings etc.
The Left has assured us that China is great, we should be happy about their huge trade surplus, and that Trump is a real fly in the ointment for protecting the American Worker. Hopefully the World is not about to see them show what a horror Communist China truly is.
Trump’s tariffs are a fraud, and are a betrayal of the values of liberty. He will side with China’s right to butcher Liberty. It’s inevitable, like Thanos, just a lot more real with real screams, real horror, real bodies, real blood.
Red China's policy could be changed regarding Hong Kong. If the USA makes war on Red China and if the USA is mighty enough to win, and impose its will. That would take a lot of young Americans dying for Hong Kong's liberty, and certainly a draft.
if we care about human right, democracy we should start with Saudi 1st or some nations in Africa. how can you judge china when we ally up with countries such as Saudi, where half population is 2nd class citizen + their ridiculous law + war on yemen where 50k+ civilians are already dead.
Hong Kong is China as Ferguson, Missouri is Both Riots deserve to be treated with military action, not "Riot Police". Loud speaker warning to all those present, if you don't wish to be shot, leave the area peaceably and disperse. Then after the announced time, "open fire". More like Mexico City, 1968, without the warning. BTW who is financing the organizers of the Hong Kong riot. And why aren't YOU concerned about what India just did to Kashmir! No communications by any means. Change in legal status to the more unified, Hindu nation. Positioning more troops there too. Why Hong Kong and not Kashmir? Moi
Four Questions as Hong Kong Rises to Protest China’s Communists. “2019 is an entirely different world. Social media has proliferated and the protesters are using it to great effect. But. YouTube, Google, Facebook, and Twitter have all been collaborating with the ChiComs and bowing to pressure to censure content there. They have even reportedly helped China craft its ‘social credit score’ — a digital means of reinforcing oppression at an entirely new personal level. Will they censor content coming out of Hong Kong? So far they have not. That might change if Beijing leans on them hard enough. Just this week, Versace, Coach, and Givenchy have bowed to pressure and groveled over a T-shirt design. Will the left-dominated social media giants do the same? The safe bet is yes, they will.”
I'm a big fan of Mayor Daley of Chicago and his shoot to kill order back in the day: Daley: "I said to him very emphatically ... to shoot to kill any arsonists, or anyone with a Molotov cocktail in their hands in Chicago ... because they are potential murderers. And to issue a police order to shoot to maim or cripple anyone looting..."
Do you really think a nation capable of doing things like this should be moralizing to other nations? So tell me something, why are you so gung ho on war with China? Raqqa after our democracy building Mosul after our democracy building Libya after our democracy building
Wouldn't it be a good idea if we were to ask all people in Hong Kong if they want our American style of liberty before we go around imposing anything on them. I don't think so! Do you have any idea of the severity of their laws compared to ours?
Okay, let's assume we decide to 'prevent it'. He who wills the end, must will the means. Do not believe that sanctions, even a 100% boycott of their trade, will make them yield Hong Kong. Force will have to be used. How many divisions of American troops do you think we should allocate to this job? What targets in China should we hit first?
It could be bloody. The people who rule nations don't like to see bits of their country broken off, or placed beyond their control. The death toll could reach 1/10 000th of those that occurred the last time people in our country tried this.
Whatever sins America has or will commit, real or imagined, this is still true: China is a tyranny demanding the right to extradite dissidents to silence them. Defenders of liberty would be wise to stand with the protestors.
This is a test. The ultimate goal is Taiwan. After that, Japan? At the present, American interests would best be served by demanding China stand by the original agreement, Hong Kong political anonymity until 2047. And give American moral support behind the protestor until China backs off the extradition law and respects the UK/China agreement.
They need some sort of reform with their current extradition laws in instances like the murder in Taiwan the government cited as a reason for the change in law.
I don't want to contribute to the 'Fu Manchu' image of the coldly-calculating, utterly rational, pitiless Chinese mastermind ... but... these people are not stupid. Some day they might decide to go for Taiwan. From their point of view, it's a province of China. But they are rational people, and perhaps they have done the math and have seen that their per capita GDP is going to be so large within a few decades that Taiwan will be begging to rejoin. As for Japan -- why in the world would they want to invade Japan? It would be insanity, even if Japan had no allies. Given how the Japanese behaved in China -- see Nanjing Massacre -- the Japanese ultra-nationalist Prime Minister ought to be begging for forgiveness. Here's a summary: China will almost certainly have the largest economy and the strongest military on the planet by the middle of the century. Your grandchildren will study Mandarin in the better schools, the way Chinese children in their elite schools study English now. It will be a business necessity. We must prepare for this. The first step is for thinking Americans to be come familiar with the actual history of China, and with the day-to-day realities of China now. The next time you hear that reflex-statement, "Mao was the greatest mass murderer in history", ask the person making it to give you a brief description of the Taiping Rebellion. And no, it's not the name of a toney restaurant in San Francisco. Estimates of deaths range up to 100 million, but it was probably only a quarter or half of that, according to most historians. How about Mao? Brief summary: Under Mao because of the Land Reform: 2 million landlords. Great Leap Forward, 5 million beaten or tortured to death or committed suicide, up to 43 million dead due to 'unintentional' starvation. Cultural revolution, 10 million. I've used the most extreme estimates in each case ... I think most historians would not endorse these large numbers, but it's hard to estimate. But call it 17 million total actually murdered, and another 45 million due to Mao's policies. (Note: the 'Great Leap Forward' was not a mass murder campaign, but a well-meaning attempt to institute socialist planning methods, which usually results in the same thing but is not the same as deliberately shooting someone. The lesson here is that well-meaning socialism is actually far more deadly than Marxist firing squads.) [SOURCE ] Of course famine was nothing new in China. Anyone hungry for information on them can look here. Look at those numbers -- all but one before the Communists took over, and despite their best efforts, they don't really emerge as world-champion famine-makers. Most of the people who reflexively utter "Greatest mass murderer in all history" know nothing and care less about China but that had better change.
Very interesting! I knew nothing about this. Thanks for posting it. If you follow events in China, do keep posting informative things like this.
How about this: offer immediate American citizenship to everyone in Hong Kong who would like to leave. The Chinese get rid of a bunch of pests who want to live as free people, we get an enormous infusion of young, productive, intelligent, entrepreneural people. I don't think the word 'welfare' actually exists in Cantonese (Hong Kong's language) and I have heard it's actually a criminal offense to be unemployed there, although it's like a law forbidding people to kiss rattlesnakes.
They are wrapping themselves in the American flag. What does that mean to you? They don’t want American style freedom? I suspect the opposite.
Hong Kong has always been more capitalist than communist. China is reneging on the agreement made at handover. I would call this a demonstration rather than a riot. The violence comes from the agitators paid for by Beijing.
