Oh so woefully uninformed. The Republicans took 63 seats in the House in Nov 2010 and took control in Jan 2011. Obama Care was signed into law in early 2010. it's why the Democrats lost the House in 2010 and why they will lose the Senate in 2014.
The ACA was passed in a totally lawful way and without any corrupt acts. This is despite the sneaky tricks from the Republicans, like trying to call it a 'tax', shutting down the government, trying to get only Cantor to be able to pass a house motion to end the shutdown, etc. This is a good law and it has shown to be highly resilient. I'm glad that the USA is catching up to other OECD countries when it comes to healthcare and standard of living. As Republican House Speaker, John Boehner, said: the ACA is the "law of the land." It was passed lawfully and is now a law and an essential service that must be funded. The Republicans are taking a lot of heat from this shutdown. They'll get even more heat if they are still bratty with a future sequestration.
Good post for historical context. I posted similar information at another forum March 20, 2010, with detail from Red State.
Obamacare was passed by a majority vote in the House, over 60% vote in the Senate, signed by the President into law, and upheld by a conservative Supreme Court. I feel fine about it. That's the way we make law per the Constitution. The Tea Party on the other hand could not come close to getting even a majority vote in the Senate, much less the vote needed for a veto override. So they knowingly and intentionally damaged our country to extort blocking the law, which they could not do be legitimate means. How do you feel about that?
Since you don't determine the constitutionality of laws and the Supreme Court does, and since the conservative Supreme Court upheld the law, you're opinion is irrelevant. Just saying.
Still trying to figure out what happened in 1998? I think the whole political process is corrupt. The Senate violated rules and rushed this through without anyone even knowing what was in it. It was all written by corporate special interests and their lobbyists and lawyers. The American people weren't told what was in it. All the while these politicians are getting secret deals and lining their pockets. It is corrupt to the core. Is OECD part of the Agenda 21 stuff?
The story of how you acquired such expertise in recognizing lying sacks of rotting animal parts must be make you the life of the party.
The fact that you don't know that it was not passed using this "legislative trickery" says a great deal about integrity and ignorance. But wait....... "legislative trickery????" seems I've heard of a very recent example that has damaged the country even more......... http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/14893-house-gop-leaders-resort-to-legislative-trickery-on-obamacare Imagine changing the rules so the government can't get back to work like the majority of congress and the country want. Integrity - yes a most appropriate concept seemingly lost in petty partisan temper tantrums.
Non sequitur.....you can't just hand wave critcism of the ACA by piously claiming 'law of the land',And ludicrously claiming it's an 'essential service',besides you ignored my question,why?
a normal legislative process. Are you suggesting that the house didn't know that the nasty sneaky progressives tacked on the ACA to a military housing bill? Regardless, the process had nothing to do with its passage since there wasn't a single republican who voted for it. horsetrading is a "progressive" thing? My how quickly we forget the horse trading the Chaney Gang used to go to war.
As for the OECD: This graph is for those who think that healthcare spending will destroy the US: Clearly, the USA is spending lots of money on healthcare already. This is where the US stands with debt in the OECD: This is where the USA stands in universality of healthcare: As anyone can see, the OECD countries that have universal or near-universal healthcare coverage are mostly doing as well or better than the USA. That's just financially. Now, look at infant mortality rates to get an idea of where the USA really stands in healthcare quality: To sum it up, the USA should finally catch up to other OECD countries when it comes to healthcare. Bravissimo!
And this little breach of the constitution managed to slide thru without the hundred or so busloads of constitutional lawyers that inhabit the beltway not knowing about it? I suppose there could be people who are far more saavy about the constitution than people who have gone to law school for years to specifically acquire the knowledge and skills required to dedicate their careers to constitutional law. Seems they missed out on a very lucrative career but hey, knowing that savants and geniuses are quirky at times, I bet they consider being a village idiot to be so much more rewarding.
Exactly what form of Socialism are you thinking about that uses the services of private industry- i.e. healthcare insurance companies?
Let's just say for those who saw it as copacetic, their knowledge of it was on a par with their understanding of the Constitution, which was disgracefully deficient. Indeed there are, and I'm one of them. Actually, at least in the short term, there is quite a bit more money to be made in undermining the Constitution than in defending it. In fact, we're heading towards a legal environment in which defense of the Constitution is a criminal offense.
Two wrongs dont make a right. And are you claiming that Cheney sets the standard for "progressive" morality? I wonder why "progressives" always assume that anyone opposing obama or any prog agenda item automatically supports Bush, and therefore invoking "Bush did it" is enough to counter any opposition. Bush was not a conservative, and was the second worst President in the nations history, only being worsted by obama. Invoking the "Bush did it" mantra to a conservative simply reinforces my arguement, and defeats yours.
So what? I mean half of the crap stats in the form of graphs have little meaning or are just outrageously bogus stats. Like the infant mortality rate one, that a gas. You'd have to be a real chump to believe those bogus graphs.
So to summarize, majorities of both houses of congress passed a bill and the president signed it. (quick check of the constitution) So that makes it a LAW, and to repeal it, you need (wait for it) Majorities of both houses of congress and the president to sign it.....
Yes, we do spend more than other countries. That is why we have the best healthcare. But the graph is also based as a percentage of GDP. How about per capita? How about adjusted per household income. This is why this graph is completely meaningless. Gee whiz, don't panic. There are 5 countries in worse shape financially than the US. Again, yet another graph based on GDP. How about actual dollar amounts? Gee, Ireland is going bankrupt, do they owe more than Detroit did? The US debt dwarfs all other nations debts combined. I bet that the US would do better financially too if we started charging all those countries for the cost that we put into their national defense. And that not counting all the taxpayer money we hand right over to them. But seriously there are a lot of other issues. Just because those countries pay for people's health care out of government coffers doesn't mean they have good health care. I think that it is so ironic that liberals throw this graph out there all the time. It is totally bogus for one thing, the statistical information is practically fabricated or inaccurate. But the truly ironic part is that nearly 1 million infants are murdered every year in this country by their mothers and abortion providers in utero and the democrats don't count that in their bogus charts. And then they have the audacity to pretend to care about children.
The bill was passed by telling lies, making bribes and wild pie in the sky promises. It was also NOT sold as a tax so the vote for Obama Care was a fraud, considering what John Roberts did. In a just world John Roberts would be driven into the woods and never let back into society.
