How to address the US murder rate...?

Agreed. We're Americans. I'm not a German-American, an English-American, an Irish-American, a Spanish-American or any other form of hyphenated American my DNA shows me to be from. I'm just an American. Those who do not want to assimilate do so at their own risk.

 

Feel free to post links proving your point and what those reasons are.

 

My ancestors were former slaves of Rome, then considered chattel by feudal lords. Some were condemned to debt servitude and shipped off to a wild country full of dangers and hostile natives never able to return to their home country even after their servitude ended. They turned out okay. Not all, but most. Each generation better because of the sacrifices and work ethic of the previous generations.

 

WRT to OP. Start of with improving education in schools in that community with smaller class sizes. Work more with those who are likely to go to prison, Encourage more social community interaction. Try and get away from the us and them situation. Looking from the outside I observe that there is so much hatred between blacks and whites, Dems and Reps and that hatred has been increasing.

I have seen many posts attacking black students who go on to further education to study so referred pointless university degrees where those posters state what a waste of money. But, those who do go to university to study micky mouse degrees will go on to have stable families leading to more balanced children. It does not matter if the degree has no chance of leading onto a job.

But this sort of thread always ends up with blame, and Chicago will once again be brought up so this sort of thread will become pointless.

Please excuse the wording of this post as I am in a rush

 

Again, ideas are nice, but making them work is harder. I can say "Let's have world peace" every 2 seconds of every day for the rest of my life but won't cure anything. Yes, there's a lot to be said about positive thinking but there is the reality of human beings too.

 

You're just mad that you're not getting the racial answer that you want.

 

No offense, just curious, but what is the "racial answer" you think he wants and what is/are your opinion(s) on race in America?

 

So your idea is to do nothing? Have a look at relative class sizes in cities with the worst crime rates compared with other cities. Takes money to reduce class sizes but the money will not be spent on poor schools because the regional results will not show a proportional improvement in qualifications. The majority of the children in poor schools are black

 

I would argue though that race is a factor in those things as well.

I think black family culture in the U.S. is partially to blame. White people in the U.S. it seems tend to disconnect from their extended families more than African Americans do. African American extended families tend to be more connected. Thus a young black person is more likely to be in relatively close proximity to his black cousin who has a severe drug problem with violent tendencies than a young white person.

And most people are murdered by someone they know.

 

No, but your accusation is a common trait of those who don't have the answers when questioned.

Let's educate you. What percentage of student education is federally funded? 8.3% The rest is state, but mostly local (i.e. county). https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html

How, exactly, do you propose to violate the Constitution and target just the poor schools? Let's not forget the 14th Amendment.

Why do you think all of the Democrat Presidents for the past 50 years haven't fixed the problem? Don't they care? Let's not forget that the Democrats controlled Congress for 40 years until 1996, so WTF? Are you saying Democrats hated black kids?

 

There's culture and there's "race". Due to advances in modern genetics, "race" has been proven to be BS. When I received my degree in Psychology waaaaay back in 1978 when I earned my degree, there were four racial classifications; Australoid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. Modern science has proved that theory wrong. There is no such thing as "races", just skin tone differences. Yeah, nose shape differences, hair differences, blah, blah, blah. About as much difference as different paint jobs on two identical trucks.

The main difference between human beings is cultural since we're all over 99% alike.

 

https://www.bettergov.org/news/cps-class-sizes-pushed-beyond-limits
https://www.ctunet.com/quest-center/research/position-papers/class-sizes

Where is your solution?

Edit did not take long to bring in party politics

 

I don't have one. I know we need to do a better job of educating our children. It's up to our elected officials to come up with the solutions.

As for party politics, to paraphrase Reagan, "I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me". I'm an Independent and voted straight Libertarian November 2016. You?

 

I don't live in the US so cannot vote. Politically, I am centre

 

Thanks for the admission that 1) you think commenting how other nations live is your business, 2) are cowardly enough to hide what country you reside and 3) claiming you are "centre" without giving evidence of what "centre" means. Heck, I'm "centre" too! LOL

 

Point 1: So a worldwide forum is only for Americans?
point 2: I have stated so many times that I live in England. I would have thought my spelling of centre would have been enough of a clue
Point 3; In the UK, we have three main parties, Conservative (Right), Labour (left) and guess what the other party is

 

Let's make some assumptions, and I'll just hope some other poster doesn't come on in response and blow my assumptions out of the water. I freely admit that I have not taken the time to research the statistics to back up my assumptions, but I think they are likely correct.

1) The murder rate where the suspect is black is probably much higher in our worst cities than it is elsewhere in the U.S. These would include Baltimore, St Louis, Detroit, New Orleans, Chicago, Oakland, among others.

2) The rate of murder committed by poor blacks is probably much higher than the murder rate of upper middle class and upper class black people.

Now if these two assumptions are mostly correct, it would follow that if the overall murder rate committed by black people could exclude black people who live in the 20 worst cities of America, and could exclude all poor black people, the murder rate of black people would be by far smaller.

So it follows that a solution must address the cities, and it must address the poor.

People in this thread have talked about the "culture". They are not wrong, but I would suggest that the culture of poor black people in the cities does not match the culture of the more affluent black people in suburban areas. So if we address the problems of the poor in the cities, we are also addressing the culture that needs to be addressed.

Before I get into addressing the problems, I have to say that there is no "overnight" solution that I know of. The things I am going to suggest will take time, perhaps at least a generation, to really make a difference. Some of my suggestions will be unpopular with the left, some with the right.

So my suggestions are these: Safety, Jobs, and Leadership.

Safety: Real progress depends on basic safety. It is hard to ask people to be good citizens when they are in fear of their lives all the time. I would suggest an investment in a heavy, visible presence of law enforcement in the worst areas. This suggestion could include the use of the National Guard. It could include grants given to cities to massively increase the number of their uniformed patrol officers. They would be present in schools, parks, all public housing, and saturating the sidewalks and streets of the worst areas. Their mission: Suppress the gangs, drug trade, the shootings and violence. They would not simply pass through the neighborhood in their cars. They would instead be a fixture in the neighborhoods - all over the place. The money to hire all these officers would be administered by trustees, not the police departments alone. The trustees would insure that the police departments put all this money into what was intended - police officers on the street in the worst areas. What would this cost? Let's take Chicago as the example. In 2014 the budget for CPD was just under 1.3 billion. They had just under 12,000 officers and and about 800 support personnel. The math says that we could add 6,000 officers (a 50% increase) for $650,000,000 - a drop in the bucket of the federal budget. All 6,000 officers would plant themselves smack in the middle of the worst areas of Chicago, 24/7. If this didn't do the trick, I'd add another $650,000,000 and put another 6,000 officers into those areas (2 drops in the federal budget), and we would put a stop to the violence and gang activity.

Furthermore, Chicago would end its "sanctuary city" status. All criminal aliens would do their time and be deported. The city would fully cooperate with federal immigration authorities.

Yes, the law enforcement presence would seem oppressive in a way, but the violence and fear of violence would end. The law-abiding and peaceful would be safe. This would be a start. Not the whole answer, but a piece of it.

Would I mind that a small part of my tax dollar went to this? No. We are all Americans, and a piece of America needs our help.

Jobs: Using Chicago as an example, I would create "Enterprise Zones". Chicago would be one. Special incentives would be given to businesses and producers. For example, if you built a production plant in an enterprise zone, there would be a 20-year reduction of corporate income tax (state and federal), proportional to the number of entry-level jobs it produced. And there would be no personal income tax on the first $50,000 worth of personal income for the employees of said business. (The business would pay property taxes which pay for schools, police and fire, roads, etc). The objective, of course, is to give people a good paying job. A sure-fire way to break down the "bad culture" is to give people a decent job and replace that bad culture with a good work ethic instead. I would like to see those really bad cities once again become centers of production, and I would be willing to go to some extraordinary means to get that to happen. Whatever it takes.

Leadership: Black leaders who promote positive living and positive choices. Meanwhile, white people should be allowed to contribute to the conversation. White progressives need to stop whipping themselves for their "white privilege" and "subconscious racism", and conservatives need to stop ignoring the problem. And everyone needs to speak honestly and in good faith and stop being so damned afraid of the subject. The "blame game" is a loser, and it should be "off the table" for the dialogue.

We are all Americans.

We are only as strong as our weakest link. If we have a weak link, we should make it stronger.

A hand out is not the answer. The answer is a hand up.

Safety, good jobs, and leadership is the hand up.

Seth

 

Whites can do nothing about urban, black culture, where academic achievement is ridiculed. The secret to success is to gradually expand the black middle class with real, private sector jobs (not phony, government, "shovel-ready" jobs).

I treat blacks in the middle class like gold; without them, we're in deep doo-doo (that's a complex sociological term).

 

A few days ago, I was told the 30,000 - 40,000 (depending on year and source) gun deaths in the US are suicidal, thus there doesn't seem to be a problem with 'murder rate.'

That's an interesting point indeed and one could argue 'clean your own backyard first.' However, I don't understand why it's ok if it's the other way around, Americans thinking commenting on how other nations live is their business, happens to me all the time here. I'd say either everybody sticks to their own backyard or 'open floor' since this is a worldwide forum.

 

No, but a discussion on the US murder rate is an American problem.

 

You need people looking from the outside to look in to see where the problems lie because your strategies are clearly failing. The biggest threat to the US is not terrorism, it is Americans - the hatred between different groups has never been so great

 

You misunderstood the facts. The annual suicide rate is about 40,000. The annual suicide rate using firearms is about half of those. The #1 cause of death for black males age 15 to 34 is other black males.

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2013/Blackmales2013.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2013/WhiteMen2013.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/index.htm

Which Americans are telling Brits, Aussies, Canadians or anyone else how to live?

 

I've said before, with public executions performed by average citizens selected like a jury. Not those on a jury, but a new selection. If they don't want to do their duty, they get a mandatory 3 years sentence in jail, without parole, without bail, without any kind of lessening for any reason.

Hanging
Firing Squad
Guillotine

 

Outside POVs can be helpful, but just anyone with a mouth, especially if they are anti-American or trolling, isn't helpful.

Which groups are creating this danger in your opinion?

 

Does not work

Look at history if you do not believe me