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Except that they can't currently trace the guns back to them.

 

It will of course add another charge that can used used to plea bargain with

 

You must not have read what I wrote. I shall reiterate.

-Straw purchasers already have their name attached to the gun on the 4473 at the gun store.
-FFL holders already have the firearm attached to the gun through ATF records, including the 4473
Thus, the guns CAN be traced back to them.

And so:
We've already determined that people willing to commit a federal felony by engaging in illegal gun sales are undeterred by the ability of the state to track the gun back to them; you have not explained how registration, which only allows the state to track the guns back to them, will change this

 

When tracked back to them they are offered a plea bargain to tell us where they got it

 

It's easier than that. Officer that gun was stolen. Or officer that gun was lost in a tragic boating accident.

 

So you are saying that the reason a registry won't work is because we already have one that doesn't work? Good reasoning. Very logical. Except we don't have one and if we did it could obviously be improved.

 

To discover what? He doesn't have to incriminate himself. And he can lie. See above. Who will call him on it? Where are you going to get your magic BARD evidence ?

 

No. He can lie. But we do have the testimony of the suspect now

 

Here is some actual evidence that gun licensing and registration works: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1730734/

 

Well Sir this suspect says he bought it from you. He also has other witnesses. He also can point to three other people who bought weapons from you. Please put your hands behind your back sir.

 

You know that's not even close to what I said; your weak response here only serves to illustrate the fact you cannot explain how how registration, which only allows the state to track the guns back to the last legal owner of a gun, will deter those people from their illegal activity, given their willingness to break the law in face of the fact the guns are already traceable to them.

Since the guns are already traceable to these people - the people YOU used as an example - registration provides no benefit.

 

Canada found that a gun registry didn't work. They spent billions on it, then abandoned it after about 15 years.

 

Uh....no. They still register all handguns.

 

States with registration and licensing systems appear to do a better job than other states of keeping guns initially sold within the state from being recovered in crimes. Proximity to states without these laws, however, may limit their impact.

Yawn. If this is all you have, you may as well give up now.

 

Yeah it needs to go national

 

Understood. What your're not considering are Americans who are born into family's who already own guns for hunting, protection, hobby and so forth. So they grow up with guns as a way of life, for hunting, shooting, collecting, etc. They don't just, one day, get an idea as an adult to buy a gun. Their guns are like their tackle boxes, rods and reels, filet knives, camping gear, boats or what have you. It's part of everything else, and a natural part of life. Most American gun owners are this way. So when you question their right, it is like questioning the right to what God gave them...their birthright.

 

But the long guns registry was an abject failure.

 

And the handgun registry is a huge success. Lets start there

 

What kind of idiot does an illegal arms deal with witnesses? And you're telling me you're going to give the guy who committed armed robbery a plea deal for snitching so he's back out on the street to find another illegal dealer quicker? Great job.
Criminals don't go to court to incriminate themselves "why yes your honor I aided and abetted my friends felony". What color is the sky in the world you live in?

 

I am going to stop this discussion, but it's because of your refusal to even consider information that doesn't fit with your opinion. I have provided actual evidence and real suggestions and arguments. You have done nothing of the sort.

 

And you've made the info so public that the perps testimony is hardly worth a thing because all he had to do was look it up by number when he got the thing in case he needed one of your sweetheart plea deals to get off easy.

 

A plea deal does not mean a suspect is not jailed. The investigation can lead to all kinds of evidence. You do know this is why many countries register guns.....don't you?

 

Such techniques are useless when the matter pertains to polymer-framed firearms, such as the Glock series of handguns. The serial number is located on a small metal plate, which can easily be removed by sanding away the polymer molding around it, and discarded. Once that occurs there is nothing that can be done to recover the serial number.

 

In the city of Nice, in the nation of France, one individual with a motor vehicle successfully murdered eighty six individuals, and wounded countless others, in a time frame of no more than five minutes. This was a mass killing of far greater scope and casualty count than any mass killing committed in the united states with any firearm that is commercially available. Even Adam Lanza did not come close to achieving that level of death.

 

Quicker is not immediately. You're still letting go the armed robber etc off easy in the hopes he has enough on the guy he bought it from to convince a jury. That's pretty thin. Not what I'd consider a good trade.
Tell me more about places I don't give a **** about.