I don’t trust Garland, the DOJ, the FBI, or the Biden administration (explained). Do you?

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Do you trust Biden, Democrats, DOJ, Garland, FBI?

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  2. No

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  1. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    Two types of criminal investigations, one is OK the other should alarm us.
    1) A crime has been committed. The case is investigated, a suspect found, a case built against that suspect. This is a norm.
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    2) We dislike a person. We investigate him to try to find a crime. This is a great way to have a dictatorship. Which is what was done to Trump.
     
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    *LOL*

    Jesus.

    Yes, stealing government documents and not giving them back is only a crime because people dislike the Orange Buffoon and are bein mean to him. Boo hoo!
     
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  3. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have only read the first page of this thread. It is turning into a predictable food fight.

    The truth is that Trump’s critics are right about a lot of things.

    But so are the critics of the FBI, the DOJ, and the Washington Establishment in general.

    You’re both partially right.
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Did Trump have documents at MAL? y/n
    Were those documents his to take? Y/n
    Were those documents returned when requested? Y/n
    Did his lawyers sign an affidavit stating that those documents were not at MAL when in fact they were y/n
    Was Trump given multiple opportunities to return the documents? Y/n
     
  5. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    What are critics of the FBI and DOJ right about? Be specific.
     
  6. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    Actually taking his documents is not theft.
     
  7. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    None of which is criminal. What law is he being accused of breaking? He is privy to all this info as president and it was his presidential documents.
     
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    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think Trump understands how bad of shape the USA is in and how unprepared it is for the next 25 year stretch. And that was before Biden shafted middle and lower class America. Or should I say the people Biden is representing... Who is Biden representing by the way? I'm not hearing cries of joy over the economy!

    Trump came in as a man with a mission, who had no political debts. And for that political sin he went to work clear eyed for the people of America instead of the administrative state.
    All the anti conservatives here are apparently absolutely thrilled with Biden and his "people who shall not be named" running the country from behind a curtain. You can't make this stuff up.
     
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  9. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    I can only write, we'll see. Feels like Ground Hog Day. "The walls are closing in! This is the beginning of the end! Bombshell!"
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    You would have a point, if they WERE his documents. That is not how it works. All the documents from any President's Administration, remain government property; surely, you know at least this much.


    Your post caught my eye because of a post I'd just seen in another thread, in which Trump is described as the scrapings of all the worst parts of our country, from off of America's floor, crammed into an old Hot Dog skin (by Izzy). I agree that it seems a stretch of an association, for my mind you've made. But I nevertheless thought it an opportunity to make this my own personal "Hot Dog Day," in promoting,
    Old Hotdog-skin, as Trump's new nickname (on the Left, obviously).

    I think it fits, if you cook it, long enough.
     
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  11. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, while I have some ideas as to why very powerful people are so deranged about this guy, I am trying to give the best benefit of the doubt I can, that there really may be something treacherous about him for America that concerns people, for the life of me, I can't figure out what it is. Good economy, no new wars, Obama's kids in cages closed down and border secured (before Beijing Biden got in anyway). Growing wages in real terms since the 1960s.

    Even if @Bowerbird got the best responses for which he is looking above, was Trump violating any kind of norm? Laws must be applied equally. I doubt they were here. So I'm left wondering... are you angry Trump didn't start a war with Russia and get us all killed in nuclear fire?
     
  12. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fact that they can become politicized.

    I have great respect for our constitutional system, but that doesn’t mean it’s perfect. I almost think that the leaders of our domestic administration of justice, namely the Director of the FBI and the Attorney General, ought to be confirmed by a two thirds majority of Congress with reconfirmation every two years. That way, those officials would have to remain non-political to keep their jobs.

    In recent years, I think we have seen ample evidence that these two positions are far too apt to be influenced by partisan politics. In my opinion, those two positions should be held by people who are, above all else, dedicated to the rigorous enforcement of the law and who are accountable to the people’s elected representatives, not the President.
     
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    Honestly, yourself, there is way too much in your quote-- too much presumption, too much ambiguity-- for me to begin to try to sort through it all with you, when my reply to you had done nothing more than use your reference to Groundhog Day, as a jump-off point for promoting a new Trump nickname-- Old Hotdog-skin-- based on someone else's description of Trump. This implies more about my feeling it is time for a new moniker, a change from the Orange Julius Caesar variety, than anything specifically about Trump (about whom I have never used any of the Orangeman names; but, from the picture in @Izzy's post, the hotdog skin description, as I'd said, seemed to fit). It is a given, is it not, that Trump will continue to be given these types of names, by people on the Left, just as assuredly as those on the Right will continue to come up with their "cutesey," names for Joe Biden? Did you, in your reply, not refer to our current President as "Beijing Biden?" So, I hardly think you have any reason for complaint, with someone suggesting "Old Hotdog-skin," for Trump, when there are far worse options, potentially available. (If it is not apparent, I am thinking of this name as a comical variation, on the Old Hickory apellation, of our 7th President, Andrew Jackson).
     
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  14. btthegreat

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    The only thing unique about Trump is his unorthox style. Other than his protectionist streak, his policies are no different from Bush, Reagan, or any other Republican candidate. Its the same pro-life, pro business, anti worker, anti environment, anti-regulation dogma its always been with an R next the name. He's an establishment politician who likes to pretend he isn't.
     
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  15. Izzy

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    OMG! What bullshit!

    Obama's policy was to NOT separate families and the children/teens who were in the "cages" were minors who crossed the border unaccompanied by a parent/adult.
    Over 30,000 youths entered the US unaccompanied.

    Trump's "Zero Policy" took children from their parents and had NO system in place of tracking them to their parents.
    There were hundreds of missing children and to this day children that will probably NEVER be reunited with their loved ones.


    Trump along with his evil ones, especially Jeff Sessions and Stephen Miller will never-ever be spiritually forgiven this life..if ever.
     
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  16. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    Why were minors crossing the border unaccompanied? Are you telling me their parents didn’t care about them? What was Trump supposed to do? Invite their parents over free of charge?
     
  17. Izzy

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    While you're at it, my 2 cents.
    Term limits on SCOTUS justices.
    No lifetime appointments for any judges including SC.
    Term limits across the board, Congress too.
    Duel citizenship must be revealed by anyone holding a state /federal office.

    "There are 870 federal judgeships with lifetime appointments. Including the nine Supreme Court judgeships, there are also 179 on the U.S. Court of Appeals, 673 on the District Courts, and nine on the Court of International Trade with lifetime appointments".
     
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  18. Izzy

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    For starters, try re-reading what I wrote.
     
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    You are way off base on anti worker. The others have turned into part of the administrative state and have long since outlived their usefulness.
     
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    The minors were crossing with coyotes and strangers using the children to get free pass into America.
     
  21. Izzy

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    Your reply makes no sense at all in relation to the claims I replied to.
     
  22. gorfias

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    Old Hotdog Skin sounds ad hominem, like calling him jerk face or something. It just means you don't like him. Beijing Biden means I think he betrays the United States on behalf of China.
     
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    Yes, that is true. Your point, then, would be that you would prefer to have us all on the Left, refer to Trump as "the Traitor," rather than "jerk face or something?"


    EDIT: didn't your initial reply, poo-poo on the idea that that some are "so deranged," about Trump, seeing him as a serious threat to our system? Wouldn't Old Hotdog Skin, then, seem more like merely a bunching together of all of his faults, preserved in the general idea, just that he is not the speaker's idea of a Presidential caliber candidate? And wouldn't that seem less, "deranged," than calling him an aspiring dictator, and a traitor-- which last thing, your own Biden epithet, implies?
     
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    Calling Trump a traitor at least opens a dialogue. What has he done that is treasonous? In what ways does one think he intends his treason to have what results? I don't think calling him a POS (something some of my closest friends call him) does that. Seriously, for the rank and file, I have no idea what they think he has done and wants to do that is so bad. Russia Russia Russia was, in fact, a hoax.

    Conversely, Beijing Biden's anti-carbon, inflationary policies along with the conflict he enflames in Ukraine all benefit China, to which he previously used Air Force 2 to take Hunter there to collect about $1.4 billion. The long term goal is to impoverish the US and turn it into a totalitarian province of China. That really is treason.

    Trump was in the way of people that want this to happen. So it explains why the ruling globalist oligarchy hates him. But other US citizens?
     
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    You can't trust a person proud to avoid paying taxes and calling that 'smart', nor a man who boasts about grabbing women by their genitalia.
    Let alone mocking the disabled.
     

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