IKEA apologises for child shooting a gun

How old was the child? A two year old can and has fired a gun. Good luck on getting a two year old to understand firearm safety

 

You mean more like Aus? : D

We would have the same reaction to someone doing that here because it is simply not socially acceptable to have a gun in public without a uniform

 

Do you teach your 2 year old not to run into the street or do you let them just run and say.....oh well...their 2 after all. I would hope not. I hope most people have started teaching their child.....fire=burn, knives=sharp and a multitude of other things that are dangerous once they can walk and talk.

 

Sad that such an irrational fear has taken over an otherwise acceptable society.

 

We have a significant criminal subculture that believes that illegally possessing and carrying a concealed firearm in public, even at the risk of ten years imprisonment, is not only socially acceptable but desirable. There's the main difference between the US and Oz.

 

Unless it's San Franpsycho of course.

 

And just how successful are you with two year olds? They are the reason for child locks you know.

Dear gods!!

 

That is the question, but do you not try? I did with mine. I could have thrown my hands up and said forget it......damn 2 years can't learn, but I didn't I said.....don't touch, because 2 year olds can learn, and if you believe otherwise you let your kids get away with to much.

 

Two year olds ?
My friends almost 2 year old used to yank off my glasses, and I would simply say no, and put them back, one day, instead of grabbing my glasses, he gently pushed them up since they were low, he also stopped trying to grab them off.

I have always been astounded how young babies can learn if one is patient and allows them to learn.

I used to baby sit another child, her parents could not get her to anything but yelling tantrums, yet with me, she was good as gold, I would say sit over there for a story, and she would do it, school, crossing the street, obedient, her parents not so much.

Her Dad used to ask why she was so good to me and not to them, I always treated her with respect.

 

Who said the parents had not tried? But you do not leave poisons in reach of a child and you should not blame a toddler for picking up what they would think is a toy. If this were a bottle of poison in a pretty container who would you blame for the child drinking it? The child or the adult?

 

Yes but they did not stop until you repeated your warning. Are you suggesting that every child should have gun safety taught alongside toilet training just in case some adult is careless?

 

Of course they should - why do you want kids to die in gun accidents?

 

Oooo and design them some cute bullet proof vests too!

 

Look, I know what I was like as a child, I was a strange one, there were sharp knives, stuff under the sink, bleach, you name it, in the kitchen, a Slattery pilotless stove, I had ZERO inclination to mess with anything as I suppose years of DON'T TOUCH yielded fruit as I never had accidents like other children.

Even Guns, I did not even like pointing cap pistols at anyone oddly enough, and I more or less tell the difference between a real gun and a toy and if I had a doubt, I certainly was not going to point it at anyone or fire it.

The point is, if I had children, I certainly at the age of where they can grab things make sure they understand not to play with a gun if they find one.

I think all parents need to make that part of a childs gradual training in addition to other warnings about street crossing etc....

I had an Ambulance call for a 7 year old girl one Fourth of July, she found a lighter and an M-80, and blew off three fingers, we found them and transported her to Bellevue Hospital with a notification to have a Surgical transplant team standing by, her 10 year old brother had left those items where his sister could find them, this was inside the home.
He admitted finding the M-80 outside the home as he walked around.

Again, the don't touch talk.

I was hunting at age 10 at my Uncle's vast estate and sugar plantation, accompanied by a servant on horseback, different times.

 

Your own story proves it does not work. Child locks are marketed and encouraged for a reason. I know it is useless to quote research with you but there is solid evidence that gun safety training does not work for older kids let alone toddlers

America has more child deaths from accidental gun injury rate is more than a couple of dozen other countries added together

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/p...t/news-story/2ce3d693d182cb31ca7dbab186b2564c

 

And, what is your suggestion? Do you think guns are a higher risk than toxic chemical exposure (prescription drugs, cleaning agents, antibiotics) to children in the US?

My gun safety training started at about 2-3 years of age; first with toy guns and prohibition from touching guns in my home (I was told they were all loaded all the time). Starting at 5, I was taught marksmanship. Within a year, I was a crack shot with a small stock .22 cal and by 8 did pretty well figuring Kentucky windage. And, by ten I could go hunting with 10 rds in my pocket, but had to bring back the empties and account for every expended round with game or be sanctioned. From early on, my interaction with guns, toy, pnuematic or otherwise was tracked, measured and graded as part of a larger program of teaching responsibility and it seemed, at least to me, everyone was in on the training. (Something missing these days). The more responsibility I showed the more trust and privileges I got... screw up and the consequences were severe... all the penalties were explained before hand and applied if I violated or neglected my responsibilities... no exceptions. Years later I realized doing things correctly and safely seemed no so much a learned experience, but a deeply, almost DNA manifestation. I trained my girls the same way.
Something my relatives all did, was not just teach me by by rule, but always explained and demonstrated how things worked. One benefit I had was to see the consequences of gun shots because from an early age, I accompanied my Da and Uncle hunting, and saw the effects on game... also, given I lived in a near war zone, I saw more than any child should.
But I didn’t just learn gun safety, I was taught how to use knives, machinery, electricity, fire, from a practical knowledge perspective not from an irrational fear perspective and those teaching me did as they taught. Demonstrations were far more impactful than simple instruction.
I have long believed safety is derived from rational knowledge not fear. Parents with irrational fear not only can pass it along, but they leave children without understanding and knowledge which puts them at greater risk of doing something that will get them hurt.
Once knew a fellow that went into the Navy, was deployed offshore Lebanon in ‘83. After he was discharged, he bought a motor cycle and on the day he got it, he rode all over, until at one point he wondered how much fuel he had left. He opened the tank, took out his lighter for a light to see in it for figuring how much gas he has left, got close and... Hmmm.
Knowledge is both power and safety...
Every child is different, but the more things you teach, the more susceptible a child is to learning. Teach from fear or abstain/abdicate that role and you increase your child’s risk of injury; you can’t be around to protect them 100% of the time.

 

Good to see you admitting at least there is a comparison of risk!

 

Why blame the child? You lock up toxins and sharp objects do you not? Child safety is about making a safe environment for the child not about blaming the child for your carelessness

 

Not IKEAs fault.

The gun owner should have his CCW revoked, no question.

 

You made this up.

 

When did I blame a child or did you not understand something and why would you rather have children fear things you fear rather than have knowledge and rational thinking to mitigate their own risks?
My youngest is married to a police officer, but knowing her and observing him, it is obvious she is a better problem solver than he and I’d trust her gun safety protocol far more than his. I doubt a gun exists she can’t safe and clear and could do so at age 10 (she, BTW, at age 9 or so, invented a device that allowed her and her older sister to rack any slide regardless of it’s spring.
Yeah, I taught them about tools as well.
I have known of quite a few people that have died from uncontrolled fear.

 

When? With every post

I am not talking ten year olds

Would you have trusted your toddler around a gun?

 

Apparently it is actually the fault of the child's parents

 

Risk assessment is the correct and proper nomenclature.

 

Depends on the child, obviously most toddlers will not comprehend gun safety.
It hurts not to instill the training with inert firearms.

At age 9 I was flabbergasted at my friends risky behaviours, climbing out windows at heights of over 6 stories,
My Cousin Antonio was a sort of dim bulb compared to others, at age 11, he got the idea he could fly like Superman, he had a cape, the whole costume, and he swallowed a children's aspirin saying it would help him fly, before I could yell bloody hell, he jumped and broke both legs.

He had all sorts of foot problems after.

Later, working as an Armed Security Officer, his mates said, hey, drive us to the 7-11 for snacks, and he did so, they jumped back in and said drive, and he did, later, Police kicked down his door and arrested him, charges, accomplice to Armed robbery, aiding and abetting, etc....
5 years in Prison.

He had a public defender that convinced him to plead guilty to charges of aiding and abetting if I remember correctly, a mistake, and they use fear to cow people into a plea.

So even Adults do stupid things and use poor judgment, that however does not mean children should not be taught not to touch a gun.