Indian Muslim girl tied to tree, flogged ‘for falling in love with Hindu boy’

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  1. John Sample

    John Sample Well-Known Member

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    As a rule we are supposed to be respectful of other people's religion. Atheists do not get a pass. Denigrating all religions equally doesn't count.
     
  2. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Well-Known Member

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    Please note the difference between "Muslims" and illegal immigrants.
    By the way, those who follow Allah, as you follow, are working hard against Jews and Israel in the UK .
     
  3. John Sample

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    I think you have failed. It is just a cult and not representative of Christianity. But these people don't sound like gang rapists.

    "LRA's objectives are:

    1. To fight for the immediate restoration of competitive multi-party democracy in Uganda.
    2. To see an end to gross violation of human rights and dignity of Ugandans.
    3. To ensure the restoration of peace and security in Uganda.
    4. To ensure unity, sovereignty and economic prosperity beneficial to all Ugandans.
    5. To bring to an end to the repressive policy of deliberate marginalization of groups of people who may not agree with the National Resistance Army's ideology."
     
  4. Mandelus

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    I have failed ... nice!

    Do they act in name of the religion Christianity? Yes!

    Instead of naming the goals of the LRA, you might want to deal with the long list of crimes ... just as a suggestion
     
  5. John Sample

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    You could say the same of Protestants. Long list of crimes, with no connection to the faith.
    With Muslims, the crime is often directly connected and directed by the faith.
     
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    Very true about two wrongs don't make a right, I just find it a tad hypocritical when people bash Muslims but ignore the atrocities of other religions.
     
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    What respect to atheists get from any religious types ?
     
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    cerberus Banned Donor

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    If other religions were committing atrocities, then trust me - I'd be criticizing them as well. But they're not, are they!!
     
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    Did I not just mention a Hindu atrocity? :confusion:
     
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    cerberus Banned Donor

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    You mean in your post 181, which is the one I replied to? No, you didn't. But if you had then I would have condemned it. I'm not in favour of atrocities whichever effing religion perpetrates them.
     
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    It certainly is hypocritical to ignore atrocities of any religion. We should probably condemn these incidents one at a time. But when a pattern emerges, it should not be ignored.
    I can't think of any cases of derision of an atheist by a Catholic. I think as a rule atheists get no real attention from religious types. Certainly nothing like the "sky daddy" comment
    What "respect" do you want? I can't think of any cases where atheists are derided in a similar manner to the "sky daddy" comment. You might be invited to go to church by a friend or have a Jehovah's Witness knock at your door, but they aren't insulting your choice of beliefs.
     
  12. cerberus

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    As usual you make some good points, Mandelus, but I'll make a couple back to you if I may: although statistically the Rohingya demographic is comparatively small, it's still increasing owing to the high birth rates of Muslims, and the more there are - in any given ethnic group, not only Muslims - the easier it is for (in this instance) jihadists to blend into the general population in order to conceal themselves from the authorities, and then start brainwashing (radicalizing?) the youngsters. Also we (neither your nor I) know what strains they might have been putting on the Myanmar health and social services, and the available housing stock: for example, if they're not in employment their needs are many and varied and disproportionately costly? Additionally, if any given country perceives that an ethnic minority might relatively soon become a majority, then the the best thing to do is to deal with it sooner rather than when it's too late?? The Brit aphorism for that is to 'nip it in the bud before it grows out of control'.
     
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  13. Mandelus

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    Hi mate :)
    At the points you mentioned, you might have to look at "cause and effect".
    The Rohingya are a minority living there for centuries, which have also been massively suppressed by the majority = Buddhists for centuries ... and what alone currently is there going on is breath taking shame and crime! Roughly speaking, what you and others rightly accuse Muslims of here and there of suppressing other religious minorities and using Sharia, etc., happens to be the Muslim Rohingya, and the perpetrators are Buddhists.
    Of course, then at some point, such a massively oppressed minority will start to risk the uprising and you are perfectly right that these people are then very receptive to extremists and Pied Piper, so in the Rohingya case specifically jihadists then.

    Only ... is it then right to root on the Rohingya .. because they are Muslims and there is a realistic possibility that the Jihadists Pied Piper can take action here and then we have the next Islamic terrorists on the planet etc.?

    Isn't it smarter to beat the evil evildoers = the government of Myanmar and give the Rohingya an international signal that they do not have to join the Jihadists for justice?

    We have done this too often in the last 100 years ... especially in the last decades for a variety of reasons ... we do not have to go wrong again, right?
     
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    If an ethnic minority has lived peacefully among an indigenous population for years but suddenly there is social disturbance from either side, for example, from the ethnic community or the national government, then the question must be asked WHY? In this case I believe that Muslims are condemned by association, in other words they all adhere to Islam? Following on logically from that, Islam has declared war on us, not we on them, therefore Muslims are bound to come under suspicion, because we don’t know which of them is peaceful and which of them might be jihadists. In short, a) nobody can win the war against an enemy if they don’t know who that enemy is, and b) the only way to prevail over the enemy is to adopt their way of fighting, and the liberal west will never in a million years be as ruthless as fundamentalist Islam. Also I’m afraid to say that the Western mind is not as smart as the middle eastern one. For example, look how the Taliban are still in charge in Afghanistan after 14 years of fighting them?
     
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    No, Cerberus ... you're wrong.
    I know that you feel that Islam is evil, but please note that there are no more radicals and idiots running around than other religions! They just make more noise with terror attacks than these others!
    About 1/3 of the world's population is Muslim ... do you damn them all and seriously say they are all evil or potentially dangerous, etc.?
    I hope not ... because that would be wrong!

    I ... an atheist and thus neutral ... have all too often already stated where the basic problem is, why we have the terror of Islamic extremists and why he is more backward in itself.
    Islam has never experienced a separation of state and religion = secularism, as we have seen in the Christian West through people like Martin Luther!
    In Islam, every dork can appoint himself a kind of priest because every little sheikh has the right to do so.
    And that has not changed much until today, we are in the West a large part guilty off! How so? Because the very dictators who call their power on Islam, prevent any separation of state and religion, kill any attempt to democracy our great allies are such as Saudi Arabia which we support at all costs by closing all eyes about bad things and depression of values which we hold up!

    There are also Muslims who are totally peaceful, who follow their religion without others pushing the Sharia or whatever extreme on others etc. ... and that includes the Rohingya. Again, there is only one innocent victim and that's the Rohingya!

    But the Rohingya are not alone, because other minorities are just as oppressed and persecuted by this beastly regime ... for example, the Christian Chin!
    Expulsion, ethnic cleansing, forced labor, torture and rape by soldiers against non-Buddhist minorities are commonplace in Myanmar aka Burma!
     
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    No she wasn't, as is made clear in the story quoted here and other accounts of her murder. She was killed by members of her own community, including family members, because she pursued a relationship with a Muslim boy. There was even a retaliation by Muslims against Yezidis for her death.

    Good news for you. No need to pretend you care about it now. I note you didn't even bother to pretend you cared about the 8 year old Muslim girl raped for a week & killed in a Hindu temple. I'm trying to imagine how brainwashed by ideology a person would have to be not to care about something as horrible as that. Thankfully I can't.
     
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    Not just non-Buddhists, non-Burmans. These same people have targeted Christians & other Buddhists who happen not to be from the right ethnic group. Rohingya have lived on their land longer than the Burmese state has controlled it, so it is the Burmans who are the outsiders here.

    BTW, you are wasting your time with cerberus. He is perfectly fine with what happening in Myanmar and will ignore any inconvenient fact and plain make stuff up (like the impending demographic takeover) to support his position. He has as close to zero understanding of the issue as is possible despite my having provided a succession of detailed posts about what is happening, including accounts of the mass murder of children, Rohyngia birth rates (which are not remotely high enough to 'swamp' anyone) and Burman persecution of other groups. None of that matters because he saw footage on TV with a lot of children in it.

    Its Muslims being killed & driven from their homes, so he's good with it. So are more than a few others around here.
     
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    No, post #162:

     
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    So I named a predominantly Christian/Jewish country that does what Muslims do with marrying children to adults.
     
  20. Fred C Dobbs

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    Here's the article. https://english.alarabiya.net/en/fe...gged-for-falling-in-love-with-Hindu-boy-.html
     
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    I doubt he or anyone ellse wants to see anyone driven from their homes but Muslims seem to be a problem where they go, with the same problems where they dominate.

    Can you tell me anything positive about Islam? It seems the only way anyone could follow this belief system is through coercion and death threats, which are often carried out.
     
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    True. Quite true.
     
  23. bigfella

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    Wrong story genius. I'm talking about the yezidi girl in post #3. The post to which you replied in post #4:

    This was the post I replied to.

    Keep dodging though, it makes your lack of concern for anyone not killed by Muslims even more apparent.
     
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    Like you, he couldn't care less what happens to Muslims. Like you, he doesn't really pretend otherwise. Like you, his prejudices on the issue are high and his level of knowledge about Myanmar pitifully low.

    I don't have anything positive to say about Islam or any other religion. I dislike them all. Unlike you I don't feel I have to defend a religion that encourages & allows people to abuse & murder children.

    As for your opinion of why people follow Islam, it simply shows that you fill the space that should contain knowledge with prejudice. No news there.
     
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    So you were trying to hijack the thread and I refused to go along with it. You expected the thread to change to Hindus?
    Your disappointment that the topic didn't change to another religion is obvious. Your lack of knowledge about the differences between religion is also obvious, though you manned up enough to admit it. Perhaps bigbaby would better choice for your nom de plume.
     

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