Iran warns N.Korea not to trust Trump

You can certainly argue this nitpicking about the Senate without end ... but it does not change the fact that a US President has made a deal and this deal is binding on the US. If you say it was not legal, then Obama is suing for it, but to the outside the deal is still binding!

The problem is not witty way that Trump has not called the deal as illegal, but as bad for the US and he even use the legally correct passage of the review. So I'm seriously wondering what this nonsense should be as an argument now ... because completely uninteresting and irrelevant argument!

That said, Trump has justified the non-renewal with three lies and listed arguments / points that Iran allegedly does not meet, but that are not part of the deal. Neither is the Iranian missile program a point of the deal nor Iran's activities in Syria or Yemen!

But the really cheeky of Trump is that he wants to force all the rest of the world to follow him or else he will punish all those who do not. Sorry ... if the US does not renew the deal, it's one and the US internal problem and if the rest of the world does not think so, bad luck for the US! This behavior of USA is no longer acceptable!

 

It's interesting if a Foreigner knows more about these things than ain native American!
You can argue from the bottom of my head with the point Senate ... and if that does not suit you because of whatever, then sue Obama!
But it does not absolve the US from holding on to a deal when a legitimate US representative has signed it! And the funny thing is, the Trump itself does not come with this argument as you come, but the legal way of non-extension was ... even if its reasoning based on BS and lies.

 

You were dealing with a dishonest man who could not deliver what he promised

A document not ratified by the American people is meaningless

You need to study our way of government more closely in the future

 

"Yet, one of the most dangerous aspects of the JCPOA that allows Iran to design and construct advanced centrifuges has largely escaped notice. Given the JCPOA’s permissive research and design provisions, Iran can effectively modernize its nuclear infrastructure while adhering to the agreement."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/22/iran-nuclear-deal-bomb-215636

BTW, personal attacks like this are a forum rules violation.

They also usually are made by someone vastly out of their depth trying to deflect away from that fact.

 

You should always report violations like his.

 

I did, though I have a much bigger problem with the racism and anti-semitism of the forum than being called names. Its one of the major reasons I don't come here very often, and I think prevents others from staying as well.

Here's another link from a very leftist site stating EXACTLY what I have:

"Salehi said none of Iran’s nuclear activities would violate Tehran’s landmark deal with world powers, under which it strictly limits uranium enrichment capacity to satisfy the powers that it could not be used to develop atomic bombs."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ranium-enrichment_us_5b16600ee4b093ac33a1a033

 

No, it was the US state who backed down on a legal document and illustrated to the world their word meant nothing - they would like to say 'under Trump' but once you have a Trump it is obvious it may happen again.

 

It was never ratified by the American people through the senate

Obama could only be a dictator while he held the office

And he’s gone now

 

I know it wasn't. However it was a Treaty made with the UN and considered a Treaty by everyone else. Oh Gosh I would need to spend hours looking for something I put in before but it was legal from the US point of view and should have been kept - though it also was possible that you could legally wiggle out of it which you did in boorish fashion. The link I had was one of your top Universities. They also said that they thought it would be unlikely for you to try to wiggle out as there would be gross consequences and there will. The only country you still seem to have with you that was your alley before is Australia. The UK may stay with you if we do not get rid of the Tories next election which I really hope we will. Otherwise I will need to start working for Scottish Independence again.

According to the University I got before and could not find now, the amount of work and different things that Obama did made it legal for the US to follow it. The fact that the UN was mentioned has made others say you had a legal responsibility to stay. The bottom line is there was was wiggle room and you wiggled out and it was legal though Trumpettes argue otherwise.

The more important thing is how the US is going to manage the consequences. You are rightly losing your allies. If you are not careful they will not come back but it may be that the US wants new allies. Perhaps the US wants as its allies, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE and possibly Australia and oh I hope not the UK.

To be frank the US at the moment is making me think the same as I thought before the Iraq war - what is the end plan. Without an end plan there is often as there was then disaster. I hope you know what it is.

 

Foreigners like yourself can call it a treaty

But the US Constitution says otherwise

 

You may not call it a treaty but the US knew it was a treaty when it signed it and the US is signed up for all the UN obligations.

It is as I said irrelevant what you say. The problem for the US now is how it copes with the consequences of losing its allies and as I said earlier if you do not have a plan which deliberately losing you allies is part of, I suspect you are in for hard time. People just say you are going to lose you place as world bully much quicker than would otherwise have been the case.

 

Source?

 

You Trump people are hilarious in that you are damning the Iran deal while praising whatever in the hell Trump just did with NK. The partisanship is staggering.

 

What you stated was pointless waffle and jut confirms that Iran are abiding by the deal and will not be able to get weapon grade Uranium.

"Iran has begun work on infrastructure to build advanced centrifuges at its Natanz facility but will adhere to its 2015 nuclear deal with world powers. The deal allows Iran to continue 3.67 percent uranium enrichment, far below the roughly 90 percent threshold of weapons-grade. Before the deal was reached, Tehran enriched uranium to up to 20 percent purity."

 

yep, lots of racism and anti-Semitism here coming almost entirely from

Yep, its not a treaty that the United States is a party to and it never was because Obama failed to take the step that would have put the affair in front of the Senate. Only the Senate can say what is a treaty or not under US law and the US is not beholding to any other law, not Britain's, not the EU's and not Alexa's.

 

well the obama ransom didnt last very long.

 

How are people even contesting this. This is all common knowledge fact at this point.

 

Obama is not “the US”

He did not have the authority to make treaties without the consent of the senate

 

It makes me laugh when you talk about personal attacks when you also point at people that disagree with you. You do see the hypocrisy, no? Veiled attempts to belittle an opponent is also an attack.

 

Comparing apples and microwaves.

Trump didn't give a dime to NK. The deal is for them to scrap the nukes they already have in return for lifted sanctions.

The Iran deal didn't benefit anyone but Iran.

 

So you are laughing at me and claim I point at people? Gosh that sounds like an attack. Yeah Im seeing the hypocrisy. Dont ruin my Good Times.

 

Trump said he would halt military exercises without anything in return. Mattis was caught off guard. Pence told senate republicans that we would not halt said exercises.

Real tight ship you guys are running.

 

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