Ireland is back at the bottom of the EU pile now that Brexit is over.

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Well-Known Member

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    For 4 years the EU have used Ireland as a tool to get their own means in Brexit negotiations.
    But now it seems with Brexit done, Ireland's usefulness to the EU is over.

    Just weeks after the Brexit deal done, to cover their own hinds in the fiasco of EU's vaccine roll out, without consulting either Ireland or UK, the EU decided to make a hard border on the island of Ireland; they invoked Article 16 then quick revoked Article 16, without even telling EU member Ireland they were doing it.
    Ireland it seems, are back at the bottom of the pile now that the EU's finished with Brexit.



    In decades, nothing but the EU Commission's actions to have united London and Dublin more.

    I honestly don't care if Ireland are at the bottom of the EU with their usefulness over (that's their prerogative if they want to be in the EU), but it should be known, the EU doesn't care about Ireland.
     
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    Sounds like the IRA needs to make a comeback. Real IRA, not those provisional pansies...
     
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    Excellent idea...can go back to chucking the wankers out of speeding helicopters into Lough Neagh...sit two on the sill ask the question and when they get a bit shirty.....
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    ....kick one out...the remaining occupant was usually quite chatty....:p....
     
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  4. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Well-Known Member

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    There's a reason I don't usually talk about Irish politics.
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    Ghandhi warned us against the danger of foreign entanglements. Or was that George Washington? Probably applies to Ireland as well.
     
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  6. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Ireland was only useful to the EU during Brexit talks.
    Ireland and the EU are now working on the EU telling Ireland next time it acts on Ireland because it didn't happen last time, something that actually united the divide in Ireland.
    Ireland aren't UK, it's only on us to tell NI, but Republic of Ireland are EU, but the EU didn't bother telling them before doing it and then retracting it.
     
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    Lol, sorry I lost you at Ireland. If it means anything a nation that produces Rebecca Quinn,aka Becky Lynch, or Saoirse Ronan, Allison Doody, Kerry Condon. Charlene McKenna to name but a few.... is doing nice things for the planet.


    Anyways whatever your point, If Ireland (Eire) is part of the EU it will of course be dominated by Germany and France.

    The EU is not exactly a democracy. I suppose its good for bail outs if you are Greece, Italy, Spain but I am not too sure it give's a rat's ass about your nation's domestic issues.
     
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    Hopefully Ireland will leave the EU and then reunite with the north but it'll take some time
     
  9. The Rhetoric of Life

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    It is part of the EU.
     
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    Yes of course and "if" in the sense I used it was not to deny it was but to say if it remains part of the EU of course it will be dominated by Germany and France. The concept that the EU is made up of equal sovereign nations is a myth. It's an economic trading pact designed to protect German and then French business interests. Nations with smaller economies such as Ireland's or Spain's are not exactly in a position to counter influence the financial rules placed in favour of Germany and France rubber stamped through a EU Parliament that is no different than the stooges who sit in North Korea's assembly chanting in unison to the fat boy with the bad hair cut.

    Of course you could enter into a free trade agreement with your good friends in the United Kingdom. Then again Scotland and Wales have equal concerns as do your country as to being dominated by outsiders.

    To free trade or not free trade that is your question. You want free trade, it aint gonna be fair. Be prepared to bite the biscuit.
     
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  11. The Rhetoric of Life

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    I've never been to Ireland in my life; flown over it though.
    My country is London (as good as).
    What Republic of Ireland and the EU do is not for UK to care about to be honest, I remain indifferent to their position within in the EU because it's their choice if they want to be in the EU or not; even if it doesn't seem to care about them or others.
    Not according to the EU.
    Dublin had to sit on the sidelines with Belfast as London and Brussels negotiated the island of Ireland because the EU wanted to negotiate as the EU27 instead of UK having any bilateral trade deals with the likes of Ireland or France.
    Everybody knows that this is why UK and Ireland can't have a free trade agreement.
     
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    EU punishes Ireland over CFP breaches, maybe Ireland should leave the CFP?
     
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    This sounds harsh here... But is the 'The hard border' really that much of an issue ?

    As mentioned in the OP, The EU cares little for Ireland, it was just appeared to be a handy political card during Brexit.

    Surely in the end it will be in the Irish best interests to trade freely and have a good relationship with the UK?
     
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    What a stupid statement
     
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    When graffiti like this starts showing up it is an issue.
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  16. The Rhetoric of Life

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    https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ws-ireland-english-juncker-irexit-brexit-news

    I have no sympathy for the Irish because no one is forcing them to stay in the EU.

    Countries in the EU have normalised big government payouts.
    It's normal day to day practise to think about EU money pots given out by EU government for projects to subsidies to everything.

    It's so normal, it's advertised on EuroNews without them even realising it, because everything they do they have to excite its audience by mentioning there is so much amount of money that the EU has put aside for this; no talk of private investment, just government pay outs from a pot that it only uses if you follow its will.

    There is little value placed in the notion of earning money.
    There is one line in that article that I think sums up the EU in a nutshell.
     
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  17. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Maybe Ireland should just learn French?

    Couldn't hurt.

    Why can't EU all just adopt English, or French or German or Spanish?

    Why not have 1 official language and 1 common tongue?
    - Adopt it, make everyone speak English for the freedom of communication since the EU already has its freedom of movement.
    I only say it should be English because it's the most universal out of all the Latin based languages today, unless EU wants to be a Spanish speaking country.
    Maybe French, but then that would just be balancing up French than everybody speaking English (or even Spanish) still needing a French speaker for the EU.
    I mean, the idea of a French speaking EU sounds romantic and all, but is it worth it when the EU could just be speaking English? ..
     
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    Ireland is EU's only English speaking country.
    What other EU country speaks French?

    The Irish MEP should have reminded the French MEP that just as many EU countries speak English (Ireland) as that speak French (France).
     
  19. The Rhetoric of Life

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    I forgot, Belgium.
    It's all Belgium's fault.

    They're giving the French delusions of grandeur making them think countries speak French outside of France in the EU; but Belgium can't even make up its own mind in what it speaks be it French or Dutch or even German; and a country so depressingly dull it had to turn into the EU just to give Brussels something to do than to throw kittens off of tall buildings for their witch purges; it's all go in Brussels.
     
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    Ireland is doing quite well put of Brexit.
    A large number of new routes for hauliers that used to go thru the UK now go around it.
    Which generates business for Ireland and makes import/export less expensive and far easier now they don't have to go thru England.
     
  21. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Good for them; UK should never be a bridge for EU trade because it means more pollution on UK roads as well as increased in traffic and accident risk.
    Ireland and the rest of the EU should always be able to trade, but leave UK out of it; so (go around our country, not through it) and UK couldn't care less about an EU matter of getting things from A to be B within the EU.
     
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    Is that why you said on Feb 10:

    But now it seems with Brexit done, Ireland's usefulness to the EU is over.

    ??
    ISTM since you signed an FTA with the EU Ireland will be fully involved in all those containers that are now bypassing the UK.
    Shipping from and into the UK will no have to via Ireland due to an expensive and reduced ferry service from your south coast.

    and as for
    Ireland and the rest of the EU should always be able to trade, but leave UK out of it;

    I take it you don't want an FTA with the EU?
    OK then.
     
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    Of course we don't care about trade from Ireland to France coming through the UK.

    Why would we? This is the UK. Who cares how EU gets product from one member to another unless you're in the EU.

    I hope you realise that the EU is far from being the world and countries around the world find the EU difficult to sell to be it UK or US or Malaysia etc, all have our own stories to tell of difficult EU policies.

    So who cares that UK is no longer a land bridge for the EU?

    One French MEP refused to speak English to an Irish MEP, and EU also invoked article 16 of the UK / EU deal putting an hard border on the island of Ireland without even telling Ireland first before revoking it in the EU's vaccine fiasco - of course Ireland is back at at the bottom under France and Germany where the EU say they belong, but it's up to Ireland being in that state of affairs because it's their choice to stay in the EU so I can't sympathise since Ireland choose to be in the EU where no one cares about them (or the outside world).
     
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    Well obviously you don't.

    I gather you also don't care about just under 50% of your GDP and breaking all those trade deals you rolled over from the EU.
    You will have some very disappointed customers...and no reputation as an international trusted trader.
    BTW It doesn't do to ignore bits of posts which indicate someone sees your contradictory position...
     
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    The EU is hostile to the outside world.
    Ireland are EU and are finding EU is anti English language and doesn't even bother to tell Ireland when sticking a hard border on their island.


    When countries (including UK) can no longer say the EU are rejecting our exports, then we can call the EU a trading partner that gives us no headache.
    But EU doesn't buy American, doesn't buy British... Why would anyone want to be used as a route for the EU when it's rejoined the world?

    Brexit was more about rejoining the world than it was leaving the EU, such is the EU's inward looking nature.
    I cannot sympathise with Ireland if they don't like how the EU treat them because no one is forcing Ireland to be an EU country.
     
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