Is Israel about to go to war?

You're not responding to my reaction how the plan was all about the Jews being able to legally oppress the Palestinians with that insane offer.
All you got going now, is that the Arabs were offered a deal to be used as cheap labor for things unworthy to do for a Jew.

Them Palestinian pagans just became Muslim and so became an integrated part of the Arabs.
Other than mixing in and out with who ever passed by... them Palestinians have always lived there as far as people know, and became Arabs.

You're free to otherwise tell me to what tribe them Palestinians belonged to of the Arab peninsula.
That Arab peninsula that still is as tribal as it was back centuries ago....



All this is what you're doing is claiming Jews got a racist right to real estate, and Arabs do not because they supposedly came later. There is no such right and them Palestinians were there as long as people could figure out who just became Arab.

 

You mean... Russia already defeated Nazi Germany armies and was busy kicking it back all the way to Berlin before the US dropped by.
The US was only good for carpet bombing civilians and win from an army that already was being defeated in Europe.

The US still find it justified to kill German civilians, just like they find it justified they killed Japanese civilians. That is: deliberately killing civilians...
When a terrorist hears how many civilians the US killed, deliberately,... it sure must skip a beat what potentially can be done against civilians.

And we don't need a new definition.
The US aided Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden before they turned on them.
It shouldn't be anybodies surprise the US did aided them.

 

Sure. Pagans were there first, Bronze age. By Pagan here we could substitute the ethnic
groups - known as Canaanites, Philistines etc.. Canaanites got pushed out or migrated
to northern Levant (Lebanon today)
From Bronze Age through Iron Age to Roman times this was Jewish land. There were
some Arabs, some Moabites, lots of Greeks and Romans etc.. but essentially, Jewish.
Arabs have their homeland, so do Jews. If 'native Americans' and Aborigines can claim
native rights, so too can Jews.

Not sure about 'legally oppressing' works. Can people legally blow up buses? How does
this legal stuff work? Is China 'legal' in the Sth China Sea takeover? Depends on who you
ask. Can Mexicans 'legally' sneak into USA? It's murky stuff.
I say Rome was 'illegal' in occupying Israel 1st Century. And 'illegal' in driving out the Jews.
And Jews were considered 'illegal' in 120 nations they were driven out of over 2,000 years.

 

Actually, the Ruskies weren't pushing Germans back to Berlin, they were busy pushing
their armies to Britain itself, setting up Communist puppet govts along the way. Thanks
for Americans in stopping that.
Lenin dreamt of starting WWII but he died too soon. Stalin help start WWII.
Killing civilians is problematic in declared war situations. Never heard of a war where
civilians weren't killed. Take Grosny for instance.
These days technology helps reduce the civilian deaths - that fancy 'Ninja Missile' is
a good example - kill one particular person in a single car.
I suppose a good definition of 'terrorism' is killing of civilians in peace time.

 

No such stopping happened. What Russia did was what they all agreed to do at Yalta.

To avoid killing civilians can indeed be problematic during war. That is a no brainer.
The US did not just not avoid, they deliberately targeted innocent civilians.
And it becomes a joke if a country can just deliberately kill as many civilians as possible,
when there is a war declaration was made. We already have rules against this.
Countries put their signatories under it.

 

Like I said... your're just cooking up that Arabs have a homeland and it's not Israel and so it's an argument that Jews are 1st class citizens and Arabs 2nd in Israel. And no.. where you claim it was essentially Jewish.. it was just not. The Palestinians were always there. First pagan, and later Muslim.

It is not as if you can name to what tribe them Palestinians belong to from the Arab "homeland".

Sounds like your argument is making it appear that what oppressing civilians an mass is like blowing them up, an act of pure terrorism.
And so the Israeli government and the IDF are just a bunch of terrorists.

Bravo.

 

Because when your lunatic Islamo-terrorists start throwing those around, it is over for a whole of people, that's why. Of course you're more enthralled with the bogus 'moral equivalency' propaganda put out by terrorists, cuz you want to be one of the 'kool kidz' or something, and actually never give anything any thought, like most Democrats; it's all about fashion, and supporting causes Da Evul Xians don't like, because, well, just because..

 

Ad hominems are valid arguments in many cases, as anyone who took logic 102 would know. Whether or not the trolls and the mods who love them like it or not is their problem. not mine. I did take Logic 102 even after the easy elective credit for Intro to Logic was all I needed. You should take it, too, that way you won't be running around proving your lack of a real education with incorrect and false understandings of ' ad hominem', just because you read others with the same ignorance doing that.

 

No clue what you are saying about moral equivalency when it has absolutely nothing to do with it, or what the childish personal remarks were all about (other than a deflection). You also did not answer the question. If they were so hell bent on killing tons of people, then why have they waited decades when they would have done it with chemical and biological weapons. And no, I am not a Democrat, I am very much pro-Israel. You assume too much, and it makes you look fairly foolish.

 

If I recall, Hamas began the bus blowing after rejecting Israel's grand offer.
So the sequence was -
1 - offer of an open Gaza
2 - rejection by Hamas
3 - bombing
4 - Israel-Gaza security fence.

If I recall Gazans were also offered more land in the Negev. Must follow
through on this as I raise it often, having forgotten WHO made this offer.
Frankly I don't see Israeli 'terrorism' in this. Sure, I see them claiming
land the Palestinians also claim - but as long as there's no true peace
deal this will continue to happen. And as shown by Israel moving out of
Gaza completely, it just moved the war closer to Israel.

 

Weird. I recall that during a war, the Israeli Jews got 100.000's of Arab civilians to flee, and than Israeli government banned them for returning to their own properties only because of their ethnic background. It's a warcrime. I have yet to see any kind of acknowledgment of it, not to mention pay up for the wrongs. This was all way before any kind of blowing up busses.

I already responded to this so called offer in post 47, of which the insanity of it all has never been shown before.
I mean... the unconditional surrender of Germany after WWI still left Germany with an army controlling almost the entire country.
It's generally considered to be so humiliating that this is a major cause why WWII happened.
The plan for the Jews for the sake of peace is offering FAR less than Germany got for an unconditional surrender.

It really is THAT insane... lol

 

Yes, there were places where the Jews drove out the Arabs, but they were places, not the
whole land.
There was a public appeal for Arabs to stay where they are - their departure was a political
disaster for Israel - and the Palestinians knew that.
Be as it is, those that stayed have done well. And for sure, they are going to do better in the
future.
As an aside, about half a million Palestinians go to Israeli hospitals each year, either as
patients or as visitors. Before Israel state there wasn't a single hospital in all of Palestine.
This doesn't count as 'genocide.'

 

Public appeal my tooshy. The Jews ordered themsleves to kill all males in Haifa, and destroy all Arab houses while they were at it. They had a specific team arranged for that ethnic cleansing task. And so Arabs fled.

Such are the facts. All in all. The Jews deliberately wiped 100's and 100's of towns and cities from the map, and banned those Arab civilians from ever returning to where their homes used to be, based on only their ethnic background.. by the 100,000's. And that doesn't comply with your idea that they asked them to say one bit. Total hoax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Haifa_(1948)

Israel bombed their hospitals with patients in it, without a care in the world.
And there is something genuinely evil about it.
No impartial inquiry was ever allowed by Israel to look into what they have done.

 

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Stalin's antichrist Edomite-jew state has a big role to play here at the evil end of the age.

But not the role many might think.

 

The antichrist Edomite-jews' "Samson Option" basically says, if they go down, they take the entire planet down with them.

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If their nuclear scientists hadn't been assassinated, and their facilities sabotaged, it wouldn't matter how much they want nukes.

 

Sure, you mentioned Haifa. But why Haifa and not Palestine? And WHO killed these people,
paramilitary groups or the govt? And what was happening in Haifa that made it different to
other villages and towns? And what about the planned ethnic cleansing the Arabs were about
to perform? Yes, facts, but truth is made of many facts.
The fact remains that the nascent Israeli govt appealed to all Arabs to stay and not fight. Many
who heeded that enjoyed the fruits of their decision - they are Israeli Arabs and they don't want
to be under the control of the violent and corrupt administration in the West Bank or Gaza.

 

They're more of a threat than North Korea - as the Kim family thinks this earthly existence is all there is but the Iranians think you go to heaven for martyrdom.

 

Rubbish

 

It has been proven that nukes/bioweapons are bad news for any group that possesses them. Peoples from all over the world are going to have to take the power of bioweapons and nukes back from their governments. If we don't, a lot of people will be killed by them.

 

It was a paramilitarily group that became the core of the IDF. It's leaders ended up governing Israel.
Israel who made it the law that people who got ethnically cleansed were banned to return, except the Jew being 1st class citizens.
As noted, all in all.. 100's and 100's of civilian towns and cities got erased just like they did in Haifa.

If that appeal to all Arabs to stay was true, than they would not have made it the law banning them to return.
That so called asking them to stay is an ill zionistic joke ... when Jews were out there to execute every male.
The Arabs knew this, because of the genocide the Jews caused in Israel when Arab civilians stayed.
Those are the facts.

The people who stayed live in a country where their voice does not matter.
The Arabs almost were half of all the citizens in Israel before the Jews started to ethnic cleanse them.
The current Government demands it must remain to be a massive Jew nation, and such must be recognized by all.
With that, they are pushed to be 2nd class. Racism is freaking racing like crazy over there.

That Jew nations latest proposal for peace, was about ethnic cleansing 100,000's of Israeli Arabs, and strip them from their citizenship.
Slow clap.

 

There are several murky issues in your post.

Please quote the passages in the plan that would have enabled Jews to legally oppress (what does that mean anyway?) the Palestinians.

An indigenous non-Jewish people, predating Jews and thriving in Palestine after the fall of the second Temple, should have left traces in history. Archeology didn't find any traces of such a people, however. Neither did history. No public buildings, no coins, no pottery, no documents of any kind, no mentions from neighboring countries. Odd.

Let's see what tribes in Palestine belong to the Arabian Peninsula, then.

Tamimi (Jordan still haven't extradite Ahlam Tamimi to the US) - members of the Banu Tamim tribe, which gave Islam one of its finest military commanders, the 7th century Al-Qaʿqāʿ ibn ʿAmr ibn Mālik al-Tamimī , born in the Arabian Peninsula. No Palestinian connection whatsoever.

Erekat (or Arikat) (of Saeb Erekat - former Palestinian PM - fame) - members of Al-Hawitat tribe of the larger Hashemite tribe, originally from the Arabian Peninsula. Saeb Erekat's own Facebook page says so, however I won't link directly to it as it's in Arabic. The link to the Facebook page can be found here:
https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/02/...amily-was-canaanite-in-israel-for-9000-years/

There are, of course, many more tribes, clans, and families to explore. Here's a list:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...sonSep08.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3CM17VDNFDjvC3LGjHZo4v

I don't have the time to write about them all, do the research yourself. Have fun.

 

Israel destroys any evidence of Palestinian history found as it goes against its narrative
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/12/22/palestines-neglected-treasure-trove

 

Wrong. The truth:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/in-gaza-hamas-levels-an-ancient-treasure-1.3621811

From an obviously anti-Israel article:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/no...elancholy-of-palestinians-heritage-destroyed/

Al Jazeera lied. Color me shocked.

Archeological diggings in Palestine began long before modern Israel was founded. Did anyone find any evidence of a non-Jewish indigenous Palestinian nation?

Why aren't there any mentions of the fabled Palestinian nation in documents of neighboring countries? With all the wars and upheavals in the area, there's no way they could have been ignored.

 

LOL
One minute you deny any existence of any archeological findings which include a 4500 year old bronze settlement and the next minute you post an article describing a 4500 year old bronze age settlement and post an article that states "The first documented human settlements in the Gaza Strip date back to 6000 years ago", 3500 years before the second temple!

Nice own goal debunking your claims