Is Israel about to go to war?

All you have to do now is prove that the 4500 years old bronze age settlement belonged to the ancestors of those who call themselves Palestinians today.

 

You prove they don't. "The first documented human settlements in the Gaza Strip date back to 6000 years ago" 2000 years before any Jews even if you believe that the Jewish religion is 4000 years old.

Now let's look at ancient maps:
As for Palestinia, here is a map circa 43CE (reconstructed) - over 2000 years ago
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Karte_Pomponius_Mela_rotated.jpg

Showing the land known as Palestinia and no land called Israel

 

According to the plan, Palestina is unable to file any kind of lawsuit ever against Israel, while Israeli's can indefinitely march around INSIDE Palestina to shoot and bomb as they see fit. And no, I'm not going to quote the passages of the plan, since I did not bring up the plan the Donald administration came up with in the first place. Look it up yourself. It's easy enough to be found. Grow up.

You aware that the Banu Tamim say they are the descendants of Abraham? Dunno where you can't spot a connection there.
But besides that, where 1 member of that rather massive tribe was born, is not really any evidence where all the Palestinians came from.

Again, you highlight 1 person. That is not proving where the Palestinians came from.

Well you can just go to wikipedia, and read what it says under "origins".
It says that there were already Arabs living there who were not Muslim, fighting against Muslim Arabs when they dropped by for their conquest.
It also says the Muslim Arabs did not pursue any kind of active conversion to their religion, yet it did happen.
A couple of quotes from experts all put in their 2 cents of saying that them Palestinians were always there as far as they know.
I'm sure you can google this yourself.

 

Seriously... lol
The Al Jazeera article says that Israel destroyed the site in 2003.
The opendemocracy site says the IDF then looted that place, and that Palestinians had to BUY 100's and 100's of artifacts back.
And then only in 2015 it was Hamas who paid it's people by giving them land, because they had no other funds.

Color me shocked who went off destroying and looting other cultures heritage...
Color me shocked that they let people use land that got blown up and looted extensively by the Jews as a form of payment in a place so densely populated as Gaza

And I'm not spotting these 2 articles are disagreeing what went on.
So there are no lies being uncovered. Thanks for your source, Pisa.
Good contribution. lol

 

Nope.

Opendemocracy says Moshe Dayan stole some antiquities, but it doesn't say these were from that site in Gaza. Dayan died in 1981, 17 years before Tel Sakan was discovered.

Al Jazeera lied.

 

You know I don't use Wikipedia. Don't trust it.

Most of the Palestinian tribes, clans, and families, belong to larger tribes or confederations of tribes all over the Middle East and North Africa. You're basically claiming that all of them originate in Palestine. Where did the Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula disappear?

 

We should give Israel some of those MOP bombs and the aircraft necessary to deploy them.

As for the threat of Hezbollah's missile salvo, that would suck, but there's probably not a nation on the planet better-prepared to weather a storm like that than Israel.

Civil defense in Israel - Wikipedia

 

Sure, for a long time Israeli Arabs had less of the pie than the Jews, but...
1 - they had a lot more than West Bankers, Gazans, Lebanese, Syrians etc..
2 - they, like many African Americans, chose not to vote so resources went
to those voting districts whose candidates were elected. This is changing
and Arab Israelis have formed considerable voting blocks now, and are
being wooed by both side of politics.

No, there was no killing off of every Arab male. There certainly was a few
Arab males who got killed in the 1948 and 1967 wars - just as many male
Jews also died.

Yes, Israel must remain a Jewish nation. If it doesn't then that's the end
of Israel. Jews were driving out of over 100 nations since AD 70 - they don't
intend being driven out of Israel by Muslims.

 

It's a super simplification, but there's an element of the truth to it.
There's a certain fatalism within Muslims - what will be will be, and
it's all in the hands of Allah. Scary really.

 

Israel did not drive any nation out of Israel from AD 70 to WWII - at which point they were given the land .. they did not drive out any nation ?

 

What are you suggesting here .. that we should give Palestinians the land on the basis of a 4500 year old people to which they have some genetic relation ?

 

Israel was driven out of over 100 nations. That's the claim. Not sure where the number
comes from. One of my great greats was driven out of Portugal. After 1948 Jews were
driven out of seven Muslim nations. European nations took it in turn to drive out their
Jews. Even Chinese became anti-Semitic.
Truly the 'wandering Jew.'
Yes, Jews were 'given' land in Palestine by the nations. It's a bit like 'giving' land to
Native Americans, inside USA. Jews are indigenous to Israel.

Certainly amongst the Woke Jews can never be indigenous anywhere, nor are Jews a
protected minority.

 

Saudi has the same interests as Israel right now pertaining to Iran. Iran engaged in a blatant act of war with that attack on their oil fields and Saudi is ranked 5th to 9th depending on your source in world military spending. They have the means to do some serious damage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Saudi also has rich allies(Kuwait, UAE) on the Arabian peninsula. Saudi does not want Iran to have viable nukes either.

 

The idiot(Biden) and the idiots(Clapper, Bolton and Brennan neocon protégés) running our country now want a perpetual war. That is why they hated Trump so much because he worked his ass off keeping us out of one.

 

I must have misunderstood your post .. thought you were claiming Israel drove out .. now was driven out ... my bad.

Not sure what you mean by "protected minority" but - among minorities .. few are protected more than the Jews.

 

I'm not spotting any lies in the article of Al Jazeera cause your source is from an earlier time frame.
I do spot you -putting it mildly- bending the truth with "some antiquities" while your source talks about 100's. And that criminal of a Dayan was only put in -and I quote the article- as a "For instance"... for a "systematic campaign to evacuate Gaza from its antiquities"... and "Tal al-Sakan is just one of the many examples".


So your own article does say the Jews stole from that site, after they bombed it.
And so according to the Al Jazeera article only after that the area was given away as a way to pay employees when they ran out of money.

 

Jews are not considered 'minorities' on many US campuses. Anymore than rednecks or Christians are minorities.
I see many people 'concerned' about Palestinians on this board. But I suspect it's more antisemitism than concern.
If people were really concerned for Muslims they would do something, right now, about two million of them in Chinese
concentration camps. And these Muslims didn't attack the Chinese with the ambition to slit their throats or drive them
into the sea.

 

If America wants leadership then like Rome she must be prepared for war.
If she doesn't then step aside and let China lead - and she will take the Sth
China Sea, maybe the Pacific, your allies, your trade and your lunch - she's
taken many the American jobs now.
Frankly I admire Chinese ambitions. She will lead in wealth, science, space,
transport, security, medicine etc.. And America will be another Mexico, waiting
for the next lot of barbarians to colonize her land.

 

I don't care about what your opinion is. Wikipedia is widely used here, and what I mentioned comes with footnotes from sites and books that are not part of Wikipedia. Hence there is nothing wrong with it. Your claim of "most of the Palestinian tribes".... you did not prove that. You proved some individuals got ancestry elsewhere. Whooptido. For all we know it's from their father's side, while their mothers side have been living in that area since as long as people can tell.

And as long as I got sources saying where them Palestinians came from... IN GENERAL... something you do not .
Then it's just your opinion vs my source, and so you losing the argument.

 

There is the neocon opinion.

 

I think it's Biden's too. Seems the Democrats are more afraid of China
than the Republicans. But what is it, you want America to be the world
leader, or China?

 

Hold on .. we went from "Persecuted Minority" to "Minority" - I do not see Jews as being persecuted on US campuses

and here are quite a few who are concerned about the situation in China .. myself included - but - this what happens when you lower the bar for "Terrorism" to near zero as in the case of the storming of the Capitol - bad precedent .. but more relevant - being inconsistent with the use of the label "terrorist" - in relation to the numerous foreign "terrorist" groups.

I yap on an on about - "Perhaps the US should not be engaging targeted assassinations of civilians" - cause it sets a bad precedent.

"Do as we say and not as we do" - while was perfectly fine a few decades ago - is no longer fine. We are not the sole world economic empire any more .. and so do not have the ability to cajole other nations into going along with us in what ever we do .. not like we used to.

Now there are consequences to our actions..... and this has been a problem in our analysis of the geopolitical chessboard - where we are getting are backside's handed to us due to stupid blunders - on the basis of not assessing our position on the board accurately.

 

This has nothing to do with my post

The point was made that there was a so called "call" for Arabs civilians to remain. While the truth is that Jewish terrorists got ordered to kill all males. They have committed genocide before. That set in motion Arabs fleeing for their lives. The terrorist organization became the cornerstone of the IDF, and it's leaders became the leaders of Israel... who banned the Arabs from returning home because their race.

Point was that the peace offer Israel and the US put up is a joke, when it's about ethnic cleansing 100,000's of Arabs out of Israel and strip them from their nationality. And demand the Jew nation gets to march around in Palestina and kill and bomb around when they please while Palestina must accept that the Jew state and the US are legally untouchable making the Jew a 1st class citizen and them 2nd class.

 

We should add to 'Is Israel About To Go to War the following: Will Biden throw Syria and Ukraine into war again, now that the war mongering deep state and neo cons are back in power - and will that war be in Syria, Ukraine or both? Everything began to heat up the minute Joe Biden became president.

Right now the amphibious assault ship Bataan is moving toward the Middle East. This will add about 10,000 personnel to the area according to The Wall Street Journal.

As for Ukraine, conflicts have restarted, and according to Andrei Rudeno, who is the Deputy head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Moscow is ready to intervene and provide Donetsk and Lugansk Republics support so as to avoid a possible large scale armed conflict. Many of the people living there were given Russian citizenship as protection - so there is a potential for a major conflict.

The following is from a Greek news site:

For now, Kiev has been bombing since the morning with artillery barrage the territory of self-proclaimed popular democracies, including the use of heavy weapons, but Kiev's offensive operation has not yet begun. There are Turkish UAVs also active in the area.

According to confidential information, Ukraine plans to officially launch a military operation in Donbass next Monday, March 15, 2021, while Kiev is currently ignoring any previous agreements signed to de-escalation the situation in Donbas.

It should be noted that to date, Ukraine has sent several hundred tanks, artillery and several thousand troops to Donbass, which shows Kiev's readiness to launch a large-scale operation.

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All humans have some genetic relation to each other. We have a genetic relation to bananas. I wasn't talking about genetic relation.

My point is Palestinians and their supporters constantly lie about them being an ancient indigenous nation of Palestine with inalienable rights over the land.