Is Ryan A Political Poison Pill for Trump?

Even if they truly believe that Donald trump would not make a good president
Or if they believe he would be devastating for the country

So you're saying party first
Country second

 

I agree with your take on this. Ryan seems to have a serious challenger who is being actively supported by Palin. Ryan may be joining a DC lobbying firm next year.

 

You have a good point...but he will have to deal with the establishment sooner or later, and he is not going to be able to take down a whole teetering system by himself; he is going to need support from someone...many someones.

IMO the media will continue to construe this, as well as anything elseTrump does, in the worst possible manner in order to destroy him. That part is not his fault, any more than it was Obama's. Obama will be out in under a year now, and it is still raining down on him. The true believers never give up. (That said, I of course do not like the way Obama has been dealing--or, rather, not dealing--with the crazier side of the Muslim world).

Like Obama, Trump will eventually realize, if he has not already, that if he gives the time of day to certain people it will be to his detriment. He will need to learn who those are in the political world, and someone like Gingrich should be able to help him out there.

 

I think Trump knows that somehow he will have to unite the Republican Party. His base of support if 40% of the smaller of two parties. Probably another 40% of that smaller party will or have accepted him and will vote for him. Then there is that remaining 20%, the never Trumpers.

I think most of the never Trumpers will end up voting for him. After all Clinton is or should be the number enemy. But when it comes to funding, a lot of the big, mega Republican donors have squelched the idea of backing Trump although they will donate to those GOP'ers running for senate, house, governor etc.

Unless Trump wants to come off a billion or two dollars, perhaps moving a bit closer to Ryan might be wise. Besides, Trump has a habit of saying one thing one day that is set in stone and changing it the next and denying it the third. Just look at his ban on Muslim's. Once set in stone now is just a suggestion.

I think Trump supporters will remain with him, it is the man they love, his persona, his political incorrectness. Not his stances on issues or his political ideology.

 

Trump is holding all the cards right now. He is strong arming the entire GOP and he will win because the GOP today is more interested in power than policy. The GOP no longer has any idea what to do when in power but they sure do enjoy it. Now if Trump becomes POTUS, expect war to break out because then and only then does the old GOP have power. Ryan will never rubber stamp Trump political goals, he will make Trump bow down to his master. This is why Trump supporters are being played for rubes by Trump. Just like the Tea Party, Trump will never, ever accomplish his goals without the support of the rest of the GOP and Democrats. So Trump will find out very quickly that a President is not a CEO.

 

Ryan has no core. Trump probably already bought him. Guys like Lyin Ryan come cheap.

 

The Party boys and girls do not "truly believe anything" beyond their own immediate self interest. They have already devastated much of the country. Hence Trump.

 

How much money do you suppose Ryan has raised while in the RP leadership? Ryan is not cheap. Crooked? Well, he is a professional politician.

 

You are the one
Saying they should be on their knees to Donald trump

You you are the one that appears to think they should do put party before what they think is good for the country

And I am asking if that is what you think
party be for what is good for the country?

Because you said
The republicans should be on their knees to Donald trump

 

I hope Trump does not cave into Ryan. I am anxious to see Ryan the traitor go down.

 

Gingrich was always very smart, and he has clearly learned a great deal since he left Congress. Perhaps the perfect political advisor.

I think at this point Trump is either smart enough to know what he is doing with Ryan or not. I suspect we will know very soon. But I doubt very much that the system will help Trump put a dent in the system let alone take it down.

 

Sure.

Humpty Trumpty



Ryan will play hard to get, then undergo conversion and tell the story about why he a determined "skeptic" has been won over by Trump and encourage everyone else to do the same. You guys are too easy.

 

Honestly, as much as I hate Trump, I don't think this poses a threat to his campaign at all. He's obviously being brought to heel. He's tempering his views to court the moderate Republicans, but his most devoted base won't care in the least. They've proven (and stated) time and time again that they don't care about his positions or how much they change. As long as he keeps talking tough on immigration and defense, there's nothing he can do to lose his current base. He wasn't exaggerating all that much when talking about shooting someone in the streets and not losing support. Some of the people supporting his "shut down of Muslims" the loudest around here have just as loudly defended his flip-flop. He'll spin his negotiations with Ryan as a strength, and his followers will eat it up.

 

Savvy analysis, but I think there is a point where his supporters will drop him very fast.

He has developed relationships with many of the wealthiest people n the world, and many of them are not active politically. He might want to start discussing his campaign with them instead of the RPe donor class. Note that Ryan met with Trump - and did not endorse him. The art of the deal?

 

Close enough but we do care about issues. Primarily immigration, jobs/outsourcing, trade deals, political alliances. Defense to a lesser extent. And as long as Trump is not changing his positions on these issues, he is da man. Needless to say if he needs to modify his wording a tiny bit to win the election - we won't mind. You won't have a problem with Hillary changing positions all the time and running to the center after she gets rid of Bernie either, will you?

 

Then your conclusion is that Trump is just another phony RP politician. So do you think Trump is really working for the Sanders campaign?

Or do you think he is just stupid?

 

Which he'll probably flip-flop on a few times between now and November, but as long as he sounds tough, no one cares.

Still don't know where he stands there. He says he's the most militant candidate, and yet his supporters were championing him as the non-interventionist candidate not long ago. He couldn't even stay consistent during the middle of his own foreign policy speech.

I've repeatedly said that I won't vote for either, so if by "won't have a problem" you mean "won't change my opinion because I'm already not a supporter of them," then sure.

 

I would expect Ryan to move closer to Trump, not the other way around. I think Trump offering the olive branch just makes good sense. I expect he'll do that with others in Congress as well.

 

I have to believe that at least some would like to repair the ship rather than go down with it...the more intelligent ones, probably.

 

Political insiders support the party because it is a corrupt mechanism for personal enrichment. To save the RPe's control of Congress and gain control of the executive branch it would have to support the front runner. It does not do that because they will lose control of the RP if Trump wins. As many have stated publicly they would prefer that Clinton win the election.

Why would they prefer that? For the good of the country? For the good of the RP?

The only Republicans who win when Clinton wins are the insiders who will maintain control of a minority party. Control of the RP generates over a billion dollars for the individuals who run and work for the RP every election cycle. Ryan and the rest of the insiders are fighting for their share of the loot. This is no longer a secret.

“Getting Rich has become the great bipartisan ideal: “No Democrats and Republicans in Washington anymore, only millionaires”, goes the maxim. The ultimate Green party. You still hear the term “public service” thrown around, but often with irony and full knowledge that “self-service” is now the real insider play.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 9.

The RPe/DPe are joined at the head.

“It his Washington Post column, Dana Milbank (a friend!) wrote that “if Washington's political culture gets any more incestuous, our children are going to be born with extra fingers’.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 213.

 

Then your cartoon is a bit off.

 

He says he is the most pro-military candidate, not the most militant one. Nice try but his position on the issue is quite well known and consistent - non-involvement unless it's absolutely necessary and an absolutely clear goal and an exist strategy exist in which case the maximum force will be applied to quickly and efficiently solve the problem and pull out.

 

Having an ally who is the Speaker of the House would be a great asset for a newly elected President who has vowed to shake things up in Washington. Trump should do his best to charm the guy.

 

If you are convinced that all the candidates stand for nothing then a write in vote to register opposition is appropriate. Not voting is always a bad option.

We have a while to decide what to do in November. No one has to buy in early.

 

"I'm the most militant person here, the most militaristic person you'll ever meet." - Trump. Try again?

Ask 10 different Trump supporters to describes his position on this, and you'll get 30 different answers. As Trump himself and you'll get 50.