Is Trump playing a joke on Americans?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Perhaps, his election was a joke. Here was a billionaire at the helm of a world wide business empire. His every word was that of a god. If he doesn't like your response, he can just fire you. He was an alpha male, at the top of the food chain, metaphorically speaking, of course.

    Why did he even run for President? Why trade all that to become the servant of the people? There are two reasons. Due to his enormous ego, he honestly thinks he can solve all our country's ills if people would just listen to him.

    Which leads to the second reason and why the joke is on us. Trump has no intention of giving up his god-like lifestyle. Now he is the President, the Commander-in-Chief, the master of all he surveys, the leader of the Republican Party, the leader of the free world, and the most powerful man on the planet. No matter how outrageous it is, people will still have to listen to him. If somebody, even a four-star general, does something he doesn't like, he can fire him, or her.

    He can say, or do, anything he wants. For the past several months he has been under pressure to release his tax returns. Well, he can solve that problem easily. He selected the one year that would put the issue in the best light -- turns out, it was 2005 -- and than he mailed two harmless pages to a retired reporter. This is coupled with strident claims that the leak was illegal, but he couldn't help himself. He actually bragged about the return. He can say anything he wants, right. The whole episode was childishly transparent, but Trump didn't care. He can do anything he wants.

    No doubt the stupidest thing he has done in office was accusing a former President of wiretapping him. But he can do anything he wants. What is the basis of this outlandish accusation? The words of an entertainer, conservative radio host Mark Levin. He, then, immediately stop talking about it, and the White House ordered Congress to investigate. Of course, as we know, there wasn't anything to investigate. Neither Trump nor the White House offered any proof, any information at all, on the President's wild claim.

    In short order, both the Senate and House investigating committees unequivocally told the media and the American people there was no basis for the President's charge.

    An ordinary man would have been embarrassed. Of course, an ordinary man wouldn't have made such a baseless claim in the first place. But Trump is not an ordinary man. As is his custom what did he do? He doubled down on the accusation. He can do anything, right.

    First, he says he really didn't mean wiretapping, although he said that clearly in his tweets. He really meant the broader term, surveillance. He can say anything, right.

    Well, when that didn't fly, he and Spicer, his press secretary, came up with still another explanation. Obama personally order British intelligence to spy on him. Now, in addition to the White House and Congress, the British government goes in a tizzy while denying every word of the accusation. Does Trump care? Hell, no, he is having fun. He can say anything he wants, right.

    The next day Trump back-peddled on the British connection.

    What was the basis of the British connection? Judge Andrew Napolitano, a regular on Fox News. “All we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television,” Trump said.

    He actually blames someone else for his baseless charge. Really, this is all very funny. There is little doubt that he is smiling when he does these things. He is enjoying himself. His Presidency is one big joke to him. He is the man. Everyone must listen to him, just like before. He does the hiring and firing, and no one can fire him.

    Somebody needs to tell Trump the people, speaking through their representatives in Congress, can cut short his stay in the White House.
     
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    Read up about the Trickster in mythology and you will have a better idea of what is going on.

    You might also enjoy considering the folk tales about Paul Bunyan and his Blue Ox, Babe.

    Trump is just a human being, but he is very skilled at what he is doing, and it is in conformity with a portion of the American psyche that progressives do not appear to share. If they did, they would never have had the disrespect to leave the American worker out of their plans and calculations.
     
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    The joke will soon be on him. After his presidency he will be shunned by many. Both sides and the business world will disassociate with him.
     
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    You mean the spoiled American plutocracy, which has no problem enriching itself at the expense and even deaths of others, will punish him for not supporting their dysfunctional control of our country, its economy, and its people?

    Time will tell. For now, its discomfort is proof enough that he is doing the job the rest of us voted him in to do.
     
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    I never heard anyone say Trump's 'word was that of a god.' No employer can fire an employee just for the reason they don't like them. Frankly I'd rather an 'alpha male' at the helm than the past 'beta male.'

    Not unlike the man who occupied the office the last 8 years. Just the other way 'round.

    Trump already gave up his 'god-like lifestyle.' To serve his country as President and take all the slings and arrows from the Democrats and their sycophant MSM. Then there is the the awesome responsibility of being POTUS. He didn't HAVE to do this. He paid for most of his candidacy and actually spent LESS than Hillary supporting his ability to get things done frugally.

    Oh come on now...There is absolutely no proof of that.

    You should read this...


    Nevertheless, whether done inside or outside the FISA process, it would be a scandal of Watergate dimension if a presidential administration sought to conduct, or did conduct, national-security surveillance against the presidential candidate of the opposition party. Unless there was some powerful evidence that the candidate was actually acting as an agent of a foreign power, such activity would amount to a pretextual use of national-security power for political purposes. That is the kind of abuse that led to Richard Nixon’s resignation in lieu of impeachment.

    Moreover, it cannot be glossed over that, at the very time it appears the Obama Justice Department was seeking to surveil Trump and/or his associates on the pretext that they were Russian agents, the Obama Justice Department was also actively undermining and ultimately closing without charges the criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton despite significant evidence of felony misconduct that threatened national security.

    This appears to be extraordinary, politically motivated abuse of presidential power.

    https://spectator.org/the-case-proving-obama-wiretapped-trump/

    I agree, Trump is not an ordinary man.

    The NYT used the same word.

    Well, people use the word 'tape' to refer to recordings that today would most likely be digital. Do you think that all those people are being dishonest? I gave you a link read it.

    Judge Napalitano is a reliable and fair person. He is the one who unveiled the fact that the Clinton/Lynch tarmack meeting was designed to recuse Lynch from his wife's case without Lynch having to publically do so...therefore passing the decision to Comey who had no basis to do so. Frankly I trust Napalitano more that Shepard Smith who is the 'house' liberal-gay at FOX and obviously hates Trump.

    The media is the big joke and Trump is just outing them.
     
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    I love when a leader goes after the cancerous political establishment.

    Entrenched members of the ruling class are squealing like pigs.
     
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    Do you honestly believe Trump respects the American worker? His tax reform and health care plans as well as his proposed budget will hurt the American worker. You are making the mistake of listening too much to what he says while paying little attention to what he does.

    He bought many with his campaign rhetoric and his gullible base still believes in him based entirely on his rhetoric, not what he is doing.

    His Presidency is one big joke, and he is having the time of his life while his base continues to struggle and their future looks bleak when one looks at his actions.
     
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    First, I don't think he cares. What he says or tweets is characteristic of a man who could care less about his image. People have to listen to him, not the other way around. What is the worst that could happen to him? He returns to his business empire and he is a god once again.

    Second, it is entirely possible that his Presidency might end sooner than he thinks. Pretty soon, his base and Republican colleagues in Congress are going to tire of his antics and grow weary of trying vainly to defend him.

    In the meantime, he doesn't care. Obviously, judging by his actions described in the OP, this is all a big joke to him.
     
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    He is doing the job his base wanted him to do? Really what exactly is that?

    Is this the kind of job you wanted him to do when you voted for him? What do Mark Levin, Andrew Napolitano, Bret Baier all have in common? Despite numerous agencies at his beck and call, FBI, CIA, NSA, fourteen more intelligence agencies, his cabinet and their departments, who does Trump go to support his ludicrous accusation against a former President? He goes to those three entertainers to support his wild allegation.

    Is that the kind of job you wanted him to do? Review the OP. You didn't challenge any part of it because it depicted reality. Is that kind of President you wanted?
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    I don't think so. That was not what you intended. Wise up. How much of this are you going to take? Trump is playing a huge joke on you and everyone who voted for him.
     
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    :roflol:

    You have got to be trolling.

    Nobody could possibly believe what you just posted.

    The murk of the RW Fever Swamp must be getting thick .

    Nothing personal, just saying.

    Carry on. :salute:
     
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    You are badly mistaken. I am a retired furniture salesman (one of many jobs I held along with being a columnist at one time), not a member of the ruling class. And, before you ask, I am not a Democrat, either. I am a card-carrying Republican. Nor am I a member of the "cancerous political establishment."

    How can you write a post and get everything in it wrong?
     
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    Apparently, from what I have gathered reading the posts of PF's RW echo chamber, anybody who isn't an indoctrinated follower of the Trumpenfuhrer qualifies as part of the "cancerous political establishment".
     
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    Perhaps you should consider converting to liberalism. You seem to agree with everything they say. If it looks, smells and sounds like ****, it's probably ****. Apologies for the un sophisticated analogy.
     
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    Once again sandy, how can you assume so much about a man you've never met? How can you fairly speak to his intentions? Twice a week you post threads full of assumptions which confound me, given that it's only march and all there is to talk about is MSM opinion of him. Have some patience and look into ADHD medication.
     
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    Obviously, your interpretation of events differs from mine. Also, in writing the article, I used a heavy dose of literary license. If Trump can't be taken literally, then I reserve the same privilege. Obviously, too, I like my account a lot better than yours. Yours lacks originality.

    Allow me to go to the meat of your arguments. "Nevertheless, whether done inside or outside the FISA process, it would be a scandal of Watergate dimension if a presidential administration sought to conduct, or did conduct, national-security surveillance against the presidential candidate of the opposition party. " Those three paragraphs are based entirely on speculation, and that is the same kind of reasoning Trump and his staff use. I call it the "Policy of if." Trump bases his decisions on "if" something were true. Moreover, the "if" possibility you described has been denied by both the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. In other words, there is no basis for Trump's wild accusation against a former President.

    BTW, Trump's support for the irresponsible allegation came from three entertainers, Mark Levin, Andrew Napolitano, and Bret Baier. I told you he thinks this is all a joke.

    "Do you think that all those people are being dishonest?" Which people are you talking about? Trump? Spicer? The White House? Of course, they are dishonest. In the case of Trump's stupid accusation, all three have been less than forthcoming when it comes to Congress, and all three managed to tick off Republican allies in Congress on this matter.
     
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    You are badly mistaken. I am a conservative, but, unlike others, I am not a lock-step member of the Republican Party. They made a horrible mistake when they nominated Trump, and I think many other Republicans agree.

    You will notice in my writing that I am highly critical of Trump because of the stupid things he says and does (review OP for details). I am never critical of conservative principles such responsible fiscal policies, law and order, a strong military, immigration control, and infrastructure investment for the present (jobs) and future (economic access).

    My problem is, I don't think Trump is for any of those things other than lip service with the sole exception of military spending which I don't think is needed. Did you know that we spend more on our military than the next seven nations ... combined, and, yes, that includes both China and Russia. The military doesn't need more money. It needs better management.

    See, there you go. Fiscal responsibility. I told you I was a conservative.
     
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    I can respect that but I urge you to wait until you can fairly criticize his actions as president. Right now it seems every thread you make is an exact copy of the one you made the day before. It's repetitive and belaboring the point your trying to make. I am much the same, I dislike trumps negative image, although less than you seem to, and in general disagree with conservatives on hot button social issues like abortion or gay mairrage, but these things in my opinion are relatively inconsequential and already basically legal, so arguing about them to me is pointless. I place far more importance on economics, foreign policy etc, and these are the issues most affected by a president. The social issues are more or less based upon the general mood of the people in my eyes. So until trump is actually able to accomplish a POLICY, all we can talk about is his mental vomit and relative lack of understanding regarding the basics of twitter. Which as I stated above, is repetitive and in my eyes largely unimportant.
     
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    I am going to be honest with you. Most of my articles are fact-based. The opinions I render are based on those facts. Most readers, including yourself, rarely directly question statements I make in the articles because they are reality. It is tough to argue with reality.

    This article is different because, while I believe in the premise of the article, the Presidency is a joke to Trump, it is filled with a lot speculation, metaphor, and literary license. I actually had fun writing it, unlike the other articles I have written. Ordinarily, they are hard work with a lot of research to make sure I get my facts straight. That is why they are rarely challenged.

    I honestly believe Trump is a bad President. I believe he is an embarrassment. To bolster that opinion, allow me to provide two examples that happened recently.

    To support his wild accusation against a former President, which has been debunked by both the House and the Senate, Trump used three entertainers, Mark Levin, Andrew Napolitano, and Bret Baier. That is surreal. He has the entire executive branch at his disposal, including 17 intelligence agencies, and he uses entertainers to support a charge against a former President?

    As you know, Obama got caught wiretapping German P.M. Merkel's phone. At a press conference with a national television audience listening in Trump turned to face Merkel and with a broad smile on his face said, "At least we have something in common, perhaps." While everyone would like to forget his foolish accusation, with everyone watching Trump makes a big joke of falsely accusing a former President of a felony.

    Like, can't you take a joke.

    The Presidency is a big joke to him. As an American, that really ticks me off.

    And I am going to say so.
     
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    And how does this affect your life or the lives of anybody? Do you realize that it's not really important? I'm not going to disagree with you because as I said above, I dislike a lot of what he says. But your never going to convince me he is a failure until we have presidential policies to analyze.
     
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    I was not alluding to what Trump feels.

    My support of Trump does not depend on what Trump feels, or even what his motivations are.
     
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    If nothing else we prevented Hillary from getting in and efficiently and effectively continuing down the path of neocon goals and excessive globalism. Apparently the meaning behind the difficulties Trump has been experiencing in enforcing our country's boundaries has been lost on you.
     
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    I feel sorry for people that keep trying to defend trump when he obviously isnt defensible.
     
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    Yeah, the jokes on you. Epic meltdown!
     
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    My wife and I both agree. First, you have to understand that I enjoy writing. I am an author and a retired columnist, and I am keeping my hand in the game without any editors around to tell what I should write.

    That said, I am told this is very healthy. I am retired, 73, and it sure as hell beats watching T.V. all day. This is a hobby, a healthy one, and I enjoy it. In other words, win/win/win.

    BTW, if I help others learn something, that is a plus. And I said, "if."
     
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    You are wrong. The joke is on all of us.
     

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