It took a war to end slavery and the Holocaust. Will it take a war to end abortion?

It took a war to end slavery in America, because nothing less than a war would stop the Southerners from enslaving the black people.

It took a war to stop the Nazi genocide of the Jews and other undesirables, because the Nazis were not going to stop killing until they were totally defeated.

My question is this:

With both sides equally stubborn on the abortion issue, will it take a war to settle the issue?

 

No just basic intellect to understand and recognize that it is settled already.

 

There was a time when I couldn't very well rule it out.

However, the passing of fetal homicide laws and the Unborn Victims of Violence Act gives me some hope that it's still possible to fight for the rights of the children (who are for now being denied) - in the courts.

 

Talk is cheap. There will be no war. Pro-"lifers" will continue to be stuck in the past by arguing on the internet, comparing abortion to things like slavery/holocaust/whatever and stamping their feet.

At least the abolitionists and Allies actually DID something and had convictions. Pro-"lifers" just whine and protest while the world moves on without them.

 

no we will simply have to compromise.

anti-abortions will have to accept some legal abortions up to at least the 16th week.

pro-abortions will have to accept limitations on abortion like no late-terms except to protect the life of the mother and parental notification.

that's how a free society works.

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its not like anti-abortionists are going to declare war anyways.

 

I don't think either side will ever be willing to make compromises with what they feel are basic human rights.

So, compromises (if there are ever to be any) will have to come via a mutually understanding of the justifications for either allow for or the denial of abortions.

 

Bring it on.......so many issues are related to this one...as ones worldview on abortion colors ones entire belief system. Basically it would be the Democrats,liberal god haters against Republican, conservative god believers.

 

There are somethings one can't compromise on....and abortion is one of them. One child dying by abortion is too many. I would never give in to the other side...not for a minute. A free society works when it values life...and we do not value life in America. The unborn in the womb......are they free? They are living, they are human...but are they free to live? We give women the right to kill their children. We are a vile nation. And I would love to be a fly on the wall when God turns out his wrath upon our nation. I would gladly love to see it....even if it takes my life.

 

It took a war to start the holocaust. Jews declared war on Germany before they started killing Jews, in fact most of their killings in camps and the likes happened well into the war. Pre war they offered safe passage for Jews and a program for them to transfer their wealth - an arrangement with the Zionists. The Nazis moved into Poland only to regain their own lands where Germans were facing genocide, they sort peaceful paths all the way through. England and France delcared war on them, all that is recorded in history- its fact. Time to look through the Marxist spin.

To answer the question, no - no one really cares that much. Its suits the Marxist's divide and conquer to take up a 'war on women' position. Most countries have found a middle ground where abortions happen up to a certain point. It plays right into their hands, they'll never let the issue rest.

 

I fear not enough people really care about the unborn enough to do anything. Because they are already born and have nothing to worry about.
But if it was happening to you, it would be a different story.

 

But you did my dear, you did when you got knocked up, no doubt because you were so well educated about sex and when it was convenient for you. So please stop the hypocrisy.

Right on sister, and God hates fa*s and all that, but you are saintly because you just wish to see how others will be punished. It is that very pureness that has already gained you salvation and exemption form the final judgement so you can be a fly on the wall. Bless your heart child...

 

Is there anything MORE ironic....


than people who claim to be "pro-life"....advocating war?

 

more proof that Conservatives hate America.

 

For a "Christian" "pro-lifer"......CM's rather bloodthirsty, isn't she?

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They love America...they just hate Americans.

 

The abortion issue is kind of a nonissue in America. Legal abortion, freely available in the US for the first half or more of pregnancy ain't going anywhere. Late term abortions are a negligible reality or topic of considerable discourse.

 

A "non-issue" ? Then why are conservatives introducing law after law to restrict women's right and access to abortion???




"""Late term abortions are a negligible reality """.......then why are you so concerned about them?

 

Yup, 'cause nothing says "I don't support killing" like declaring war on people who just want you to mind your own damn business...

 

I see, so you're suggesting it would be a secular party against a party that wants to enforce religious law...
I would suggest that the Constitution already settled that particular issue.

 

I guess there is already a war, and the healthy and non life threatening unborn are the collateral. Millions of them are dying every year in the USA, and more around the world. Women are fighting for their "liberation" from their own unique, natural bodily functions. For the liberty to be the same as men, (because they've been convinced men are better than women). For the liberty to have sex without worrying about pregnancy and childbirth (just like men). And they are being backed by men who want to use women as disposable semen recepticles, and the patriarchy that doesn't want to accommodate to a woman's unique needs.

Basically, women are at war with themselves. And the war won't end until we value women as equal to men, exactly the way they are.

 

Not necessarily. I don't see abortion as a religious issue at all. I see it as a moral issue, and people can have morals without God. There are plenty of non religious groups who are pro life. Pro life atheists, Secular pro life, and Pro life humanists are a few i know of. Plus PLAGAL (pro life alliance of gays and lesbians) who are not non religious, but have had their struggles with the church.

The questions to ask are;
Is it moral to destroy innocent life to prevent further hardships to another?
Is it moral to let women die in back alley procedures when they have no access to safe procedures?
Is it moral to make women feel like they have no choice but to kill their unborn children?

 

Gee, you forgot something:

Is it "moral" to FORCE women to sustain injury from pregnancy because of your "morals" ?

Is it "moral" to FORCE women to alter their entire life by giving birth because of your "morals"?

WHO decides what is "moral" ? You?

 

Colorado found you could reduce Abortions by over 40% just be giving easy access to IUD's for young adults, guessing you support reducing abortions?

 

finally something we can agree on.... I agree with you....

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Define innocent?

Innocent in a legal sense can mean different things, a person is innocent if no evidence of a crime can be found, it can also mean a person is innocent if they do not have the mens rea to understand they are committing a crime, such as a child under a certain age cannot be found legally responsible for a crime, that does not mean they are incapable of committing an act that for others would be deemed a crime.

For legal purposes the unborn would be deemed as mentally incompetent IF the personhood at conception every became reality, the fact they are mentally incompetent does not mean they are free to injure others without consent, it simply means they cannot be held legally accountable for their actions, nor does it mean a person cannot defend themselves against a mentally incompetent person, on the contrary the state already enforces measures to stop people, including mentally incompetent people, from injuring others.

Not only is it not moral it is also a violation of her Constitutional rights.

Take it up with the pro-life conservatives, they are the ones advocating for welfare reductions, useless sex education in schools and no free at source contraception.

I fear you have little to no understand what pro-choice really means, it means that every woman should have the choice as to whether she continues pregnancy through to birth or not, and that the state has no right to enforce it's opinion onto her regardless.

what the real question is-is if the state has a legitimate interest in protecting the fetus, on what grounds can it allow the fetus, as an incompetent actor, to intrude on the body integrity and liberty of another private party, the woman, as a means for attaining its objective?.

The issue is not the legitimacy of the state's interest in potential life but rather the state's justification for granting to pre-born potential life a greater right of access to another person's body than it grants born life.