It took a war to end slavery and the Holocaust. Will it take a war to end abortion?

It's always barbaric, and it's murder if the baby is viable.

At this point, I'd prefer a Rubio-Fiorina ticket or maybe Rubio-Carson. There are no bad options on the Republican side.

 

Why would it be murder if the baby is viable?
According to the pro-choice position, removal of the live baby (or "fetus" as they prefer to call it) could result in inconvenience to the woman.
She should have a right to pulverize the baby into little pieces so it can more easily come out, if she feels that would put less strain on her body.

 

What do YOU call FORCING women to be nothing more than breeding cattle? Kind, decent, fair? Or just success because they aren't really humans..?

 

I oppose circumcision
But am willing to grant parents the choice
Same as abortion
I gereally oppose abortion
But grant choice to the mother

 

I just think at some point the woman's choice should run out. And that point should not just be 1 minute prior to the moment of birth, like some pro-choicers here claim.

Viability should not be the deciding factor either. Just because it's lungs are not developed enough to breathe on its own yet does not mean it has no right to life.

 

So you are agreeable to a woman having the removal of a zygote, embryo or fetus from her provided it isn't pulverized into pieces, right? Should they then give the embryo to you? Or dispose of it without damaging it? In a bottle of formaldehyde maybe?

 

So you believe the woman has a right to slice and dice the fetus because it would not be able to survive anyway without her and she has a right to expel it from her body?

Does anyone think it's okay to twist the head off a premature baby born at 20 weeks—one that is still alive and moving—because it will not be able to survive? (I actually read about this happening in one late-term abortion clinic, apparently the doctor didn't think there was anything wrong with it)

 

I don't think that decision is mine. The fetus is not within my jurisdiction or authority. So it doesn't matter what I think.

Once born alive it is no longer a fetus solely within the jurisdiction and venue of the woman. Rather upon birth it becomes one of us for which society may have laws protecting it as a member and person within our society. Thus, under current laws it is illegal to destroy it - and I agree with that law concerning a baby now within my jurisdiction and venue in terms of social law.

But using your picking an instance, I read there are men who think it is God's moral duty and for the good of their country to rape girls deliberately to make them pregnant, with abortion outlawed. Those are prolifers too, aren't they?

 

Well Russia is not keen on abortion. Neither is Iran.

I agree with you, it's an emergency that needs to be stopped.

 

Sounds like a jolly good idea. First, contraception pills will need to be made unavailable.

 

Not one Allied country fought Germany to stop the Holocaust, not in the slightest. Instead, the USA and Britain both passed laws to prevent Jews from escaping to the USA. Instead, both the USA and Britain engaged in mass atrocities against German civilians in firebombing of children, women and old people deliberately to kill civilians.

It has always been this Country's military and foreign policy that the wide scale killing of civilians, including children, is justified if it preserved personal liberty of Americans. Let's not pretend it is against American policy to allow killing, including children, for the great good of personal freedom.

If you believe people are going to go to war against 200,000,000+ adult Americans in an ISIS style religious/ideological civil war employing terrorist tactics to try to win and particularly targeting women for mass-scale terroristic murder - while going to civil war against the majority of Americans you are very mistaken. That domestic terrorists army would be totally wiped out within days. I'd be killing as many as I could anyway.

I understand there are Americans who want Taliban/ISIS/Egyptian laws against women. They can think that. But any who use force, violence or violent threats to do so should be gunned down like mad dogs in the street.

 

Please check your post after posting...several have ME quoted as saying another posters idiot thoughts. Like post 112

 

That is your opinion
My opinion is there is no bright line when rights should be granted
Imo, even a new born baby is not the same as a person
Virtually its entire life is in the hands of the parents
If that child has no value to the parents
Better it be aborted even one minute before birth
Than grow up in a family who did not want that child

I am not a believer in the sanctity of human life
And so even if i grant your point of no difference between
A minute before or after birth
I still let the parents decide

If a child were born horribly deformed
I would let the parents choose even then

We are forced by the inxorable structure of law to establish bright lines
I think those lines are inherently arbitrary and any line could be challenged
As you are doing


In this case i take the conservative position of allowing people to decide about their own lives
Unless there is a clear social need for government intervention contrary to their choice

 

Clarify: Did you really just say it's a "jolly good idea"" to rape girls ??

 

Just to confirm, this is outside of the womb, correct?

At least you are being consistent. If you believe late-term abortion should be okay because the child is severely deformed, then you should also believe abortion is okay after the child has already come out, that is how I see things.

 

You are absolutely right. That absolutely is NOT what you are posting. A quoting error on my part. Please accept my sincerest apologies, totally my fault.

 

Well JakeJ said it. I just went along with it.

Most of human sex throughout the millions of years of our evolution, has been rape. Even most relationships today start with a rape.

Men really do have to push women into having sex with them. If they didn't, sex simply wouldn't happen, except if the contraception pil didn't exist. Then women would do the raping once a month. Ovulation makes women hornier, it rises testosterone levels in them. Its natures way of continuing the species.

we aren't divine sexual beings. We are primates and mammals.

 

Bloody hell.

 

No, it's PF, it screws up the quotes just about the time you forget to check it.