It's A Conspiracy I tell ya & Corona Virus, and future such events

Translation - I shall resort to spam when you make a debate ending point.

You wouldn't know either way, so you just suck in batshit. We aren't talking about a majority here, we are talking about almost unanimous.

Bullshit. Objectivity is nothing to do with it. You are deceptively implying that all scientists are not already objective. Unlike you they have no preconceived crap opinion based on ignorance. Scientists try to break things to prove them wrong. You are just wrong on every piece of junk you post. You never look at the alternative. If it's batshit you believe it.

Moronic. You offer an example when there was mass ignorance of virtually everything as a norm.

 

And? The Astra-Zeneca injection was widely reported as having extremely rare cases where blood clots were caused.

Blood clots after the AstraZeneca vaccine: Symptoms and treatment (medicalxpress.com)
So far in Australia, out of 2.1 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, 24 cases of TTS have been reported. So the risk of TTS is approximately one in 88,000.
These figures are similar to those reported in the UK, Europe, the Middle East and Canada.
Although early reports from Europe indicated approximately 20% of cases of TTS were fatal, in Australia, to date, one out of 24 TTS cases has been fatal, so just over 4%.


Now what? You post some bullshit about these being too low and offer no evidence for it?

 

Yep. Fake news outlets and cherry picked inaccurate data - how very unscientific!

Viral Posts Misuse VAERS Data to Make False Claims About COVID-19 Vaccines - FactCheck.org

Full Story
Millions of people in the United States have safely received COVID-19 vaccines.

Over 145 million doses had been administered as of March 30, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and over 95 million people had received at least one dose of the vaccine.

Most of those who have reported side effects have said they were minor, such as pain or swelling at the injection site, headaches, chills or fever — which are all consistent with the results of clinical trials. Some people have no side effects at all. And a small number of people (2 to 5 people per million vaccinated) have reported a severe allergic reaction called anaphylaxis, which “almost always” happens within a half an hour of being vaccinated, the CDC says.

Yet over and over websites and social media posts improperly cite unverified raw data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, an alert system managed by the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration to detect possible safety issues in vaccines, as evidence that the approved COVID-19 vaccines cause deaths and serious events.

Take this Instagram video, seen by over 36,000 users. In the video, a female narrator walks viewers through the VAERS website and shows them how to find adverse reactions reported to the database after people received the COVID-19 vaccines.

“Acute myocardial infarction. That is a stroke, if you guys aren’t aware of what that means,” she says incorrectly at the 2:30 mark, as she scrolls down through the results. A myocardial infarction is a heart attack.

And a couple of minutes later: “Death. And here we are y’all — this is exactly what you guys wanted to see. Death. Patient passed away in her sleep. Look at all these deaths you guys,” the narrator says scrolling down through dozens of death reports.

“Do your own research,” writes the account owner on the post, a man under the name “Truth Bombs,” who in a second similar post says he’s not a scientist or a doctor but a concerned father, patriot and digital soldier. “There are very serious side effect from getting the vaccines. Here’s your PROOF.”

Except, as the VAERS website warns, any report submitted to the database “is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.”

As we’ve explained before, anyone can submit a report of an event to VAERS, even if it’s not clear that a vaccine caused the problem. All reports are accepted into the database without determining whether the event was caused by a particular vaccine, and therefore, as a disclaimer warns, submissions “may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.”

“One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event,” reads its website. “This limitation has caused confusion in the publicly available data from VAERS WONDER, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. There have been instances where people have misinterpreted reports of deaths following vaccination as deaths caused by the vaccines; that is not accurate.”

So when VAERS says it has received 2,509 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine as of March 29, that does not mean that those deaths were caused by the vaccine.

In fact, after reviewing medical records, autopsies and death certificates for all of those cases, physicians from both the CDC and the FDA determined that there was “no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths.”

What Is VAERS?
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is a national early warning system to detect possible safety issues in vaccines established by the Department of Health and Human Services in 1990.

The main goal of the database is to serve as a signaling system for adverse reactions, or events, that were not detected during the clinical trials or before a vaccine entered the market. It also complies with a National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act requirement for vaccine manufacturers to report all adverse events and health care providers to report specific adverse events following the administration of a vaccine.

VAERS accepts all reports of suspected adverse events, in all age groups. Patients, parents and caregivers are encouraged to report “any clinically important medical event or health problem that occurs after vaccination,” even if they’re not sure if it was a result of the vaccine. These reactions may or may not been caused by a vaccine.

These reports create a public national database that allows government scientists, and others, to rapidly detect unusual and unexpected patterns that later can be analyzed.

“It generates perhaps the most rapid type of signal if there was something really awful going on,” Dr. Susan S. Ellenberg, a professor of biostatistics, medical ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine, told us.

As described on its website, VAERS can detect new, unusual or rare reactions to vaccines; monitor increases in known side effects; assess the safety of newly licensed vaccines; and identify other possible safety issues.

Dr. Walter Orenstein, associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center in Atlanta, who directed the CDC’s immunization program from 1988 to 2004, told us that VAERS’ unique capacity of generating timely signals makes it an extremely important tool.

“It is the best signal generator,” he said. “We may miss signals without VAERS.”

Orenstein said VAERS was very helpful in 1998, for example, when it detected a safety issue with the first rotavirus vaccine, RotaShield, as it was being associated with a type of bowel obstruction in infants called intussusception. After the cases were reviewed, the CDC withdrew its recommendation for that vaccine, and the manufacturer took it off the market.

More recently, as explained in a 2015 study co-authored by scientists from the CDC and FDA, VAERS detected unusual reporting for febrile seizures in young children following a flu shot during the 2010-2011 season. After those episodes, the CDC started listing febrile seizures as a possible side effect of some vaccines for infants and children up to 5 years old.

VAERS Causation Limitation
Although VAERS is great at creating alerts for researchers to follow up, experts agree the database has multiple weaknesses.

“The biggest limitation is it usually cannot help us assess causation, it provides signals,” Orenstein said.

As we said, everyone is encouraged to report any medical event or health problem, even if they’re not sure it was caused by a vaccine. The event may have been caused by an underlying medical condition, by a medication or drug taken at the same time, or simply by chance.

When VAERS detects something unusual, those signals are investigated by scientists and other vaccine surveillance systems, such as the Vaccine Safety Datalink, a collaboration between the CDC’s Immunization Safety Office and nine health care organizations, or the CDC’s Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment Project, a network of vaccine safety experts, including those at seven medical research centers, to evaluate causality. In the case of COVID-19 vaccines, VAERS is just one of several vaccine safety monitoring systems the government has in place.

According to a November 2020 VAERS report, less than 15% of all the events reported to the database describe “serious events, such as hospitalizations, life-threatening illnesses, or deaths.” When a death is reported, the agency collects information, including medical records, autopsy reports and death certificates, and a qualified physician determines the cause of death.

“Just because somebody reports death doesn’t mean that the vaccine caused the death. So we don’t use VAERS to determine death rates or anything concerning death,” a CDC spokesperson told us previously.

The vast majority of events reported for COVID-19 vaccines haven’t been serious.

In the latest safety update presented by the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Team to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices on March 1, Dr. Tom Shimabukuro reported that as of Feb. 16, 94% of the reports submitted to VAERS after the administration of the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines were for non-serious events such as headaches, fever, chills and fatigue. The reports of serious events, such as anaphylaxis, heart attacks and strokes, were assessed by vaccine surveillance systems. Except for cases of anaphylaxis, which were rare, the CDC reported no safety concerns were detected, meaning there was no cause and effect relationship between the vaccines and the reported adverse events.

“People die, unfortunately, without vaccination,” Orenstein told us. “The issue is to determine where the vaccine enhances that risk of death and not, and that’s why we have this very careful system.”

He said the fact that VAERS doesn’t determine causation is difficult for people to understand, despite all the disclaimers on its website and brochures.

“There is a natural human tendency — plus it has served us well — if event B follows event A, then event A caused event B. I mean, we don’t need a scientific study to know if you jump out of a plane without a parachute, you’re going to be in trouble,” Orenstein said. “I think the issue here is the clinical syndromes that are occurring and [are being] reported to VAERS can also occur without a vaccine. And that’s what complicates things.”

 

MEH! The absolute epitome of the very worst case of gullibility, a stunning dismissal of anything and everything that is not within the realm of batshit conspiracy land. Somebody who has no education in any subject they cluster bomb the internet with. A foolishness matched only with stubborn refusal to get educated or ever listen to a single solitary thing that contradicts their hopeless and terminally ignorant claims.

Listen to this guy with his spam phrases. Once again the very thing true of his own position. If it's mainstream it gets dismissed. If it's batshit, he sucks it up.

What have you done to verify its content, its contributors or anything remotely scientific in your methodology? This is an occupational therapist - how in any medical universe is he an expert?

FTFY

 

So the unqualified clown "loses his job" for being a junk reporter and breaching medical protocol? That's if he even had a job there. Why would an occupational therapist work in a damn covid-19 ward! If you search on this guy's name - EVERY single site is some conspiracy junk website and there are dozens of them.

"You can help him pay for his legal fees by donating to the links below:"

lyingjackass@gmail.com
gofundaclown.com/gullible-people-click-here

Go fund him cosmored, sucker.

 

Spam yet again. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE to verify his credentials and story?!

Usually.

Yes. Leemon McHenry - What have you done to verify anything he has said? What evidence does he present that can be proven? None of it. Does he have a line in books? Yes. Is he an expert in any field he is commentating on? No! Metaphysics and philosophy - wow the gold standard of NON science!

Sucker! Prove he even worked at the hospital. Prove he worked on the Covid-19 ward. Explain why the hell he would be on a covid-19 ward!

From what I can gather in just a brief search, he is currently a ballroom dance instructor and claims to have worked at St. Francis hospital in Oahu Hawaii. This was closed many months ago! He has lawsuits/bankruptcies against his name.

 

Incompetent at basic searching.

Zero.

He's not, it isn't. He is getting on the lunatic band wagon and has suckered in $10,000 on his gofundme page!

Do the math sucker.

How have you verified this? The hospital he claims to have worked at closed many months ago

Do the math sucker.

I think you should consider getting off the internet because you are deluded in every subject you post on.

With yours, if it's batshit, spew it out and believe it.

Seem, to you? You aren't qualified to determine this.

Generalized spam. Answered a hundred times.

 

God is getting irritated that he is not included in the modern era as the reason why a pandemic is burning through human societies because of humans sinning.

 

MEH!

MEH! The conclusion you reach relies on batshit.

Pathetic spam. Show how you have verified his credentials, his work record, the chance of him working in a damn covid-19 ward!

That's you. You already have the conclusion before you do anything and then never verify a single thing. If it's batshit you post it and believe it!

You aren't a thinking person, you are not the spokesperson for people who are.

Tell me about his $10,000 gofundme scam!

 

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Those responses are the classic evasive responses of sophists. Those responses would get you laughed out of the debating hall.

Are you going to respond properly?

 

Are you really that dumb? He has a 10 grand gofundme page picking up steam - that tells you all you need to know!

The spam response. At no point in your miserably hopeless online life have you ever shown the necessary education to debate a damn thing you spam about. They wouldn't even let someone like you into a debate hall.

You aren't a thinking person, you are not the spokesperson for people who are.

Tell me about his $10,336 gofundme scam!

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If something is in doubt, knee-jerk dismissal is not what the scientific method calls for. We try to find out what we can. If nothing comes up, we wait.

Why don't you provide a link? Do you expect everyone to accept your word?

Link to what you're referring to so I don't have to look for it.

People who lose their careers and pension because they blew the whistle have to survive. This may turn out to be a scam but it's too early to tell. You're dismissing the possibility that he's for real because you have a foregone conclusion.

I think it's quite likely that he's for real because Global Research is a serious site.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/board...atients-dying-vaccine-than-from-covid/5753301

I think they'd investigate a little before publishing something. We'll have to wait and see.

 

As you have already admitted you couldn't find anything, your inept "scientific method" doesn't cut it! And for "knee-jerk", what kind of clown fails to see his money making exploits as a telling piece of evidence. He has no relevant qualifications, so why would this person be in a damn COVID-19 ward. AND, why would they be administering vaccinations in such a ward?

Simply typing his name in brings up most of them. Duh. I don't care what you accept - even if it is in your face we will get this bullshit about it being moot or "it may turn out to be right" spam. We've had this begging from you before about statements I've made and every time you get your ass kicked because you are too useless to find simple things.

Get the hell out of it! You want me to publicise this fool's scam!? Type "gofundme" and his name - what kind of clueless trufer can't even find this?

He offers no evidence, no names, no dates. He makes no links to their relatives or involves them! He references involvement in something he has no qualification to be involved in, in a hospital that would not have such a ward. He says vaccinations were performed in a covid-19 ward - why would that be?

What you "think" is irrelevant. What scientific method have you used to assess this batshit site?

Globalresearch - RationalWiki
Globalresearch is an "anti-Western" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk — and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND.

While some of GlobalResearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science, economics, and geopolitics is conspiracist — if something goes wrong, the Jews West didit! The site has long been a crank magnet: If you disagree with "Western" sources on 9/11, or HAARP, or vaccines, or H1N1, or climate change, or anything published by the "mainstream" media, then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love.

Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong. GlobalResearch is such a bad reference that it has been put on the anti-spam blacklist for English Wikipedia.[5]

What you "think" is irrelevant. What scientific method have you used to assess this batshit site?

 

The ex-Pfizer scientist who became an anti-vax hero. (reuters.com)
"Yeadon has said he personally doesn’t oppose the use of all vaccines."

"In October, Yeadon wrote a column for the United Kingdom’s Daily Mail newspaper that also appeared on MailOnline, one of the world’s most-visited news websites. It declared that deaths caused by COVID-19, which then totaled about 45,000 in Britain, will soon “fizzle out” and Britons “should immediately be allowed to resume normal life.” Since then, the disease has killed about another 80,000 people in the UK."

Oh yeah, because he is obviously an expert! Even his ex-colleagues think he flipped his lid.

 

Despite numerous points raised, that have all been ignored by you, like a gullible and terminally hooked conspiracy nut, it is YOU who think he is 100% right. That is about 6 times you've pasted this clown's phoney account. Have you found his ridiculous gofundme bullshit yet?

31 people have just made a donation - he made 500 bucks in the last 24hrs!

He offers no evidence, no names, no dates. He makes no links to their relatives or involves them! He references involvement in something he has no qualification to be involved in, in a hospital that would not have such a ward. He says vaccinations were performed in a covid-19 ward - why would that be?

He is not qualified and offers ZERO evidence.

If it's anti-mainstream batshit you believe it. You have no relevant education or experience in anything you post. Not one single thing. Dunning Kruger.

 

You tap danced around my question instead of answering it. Are you going to answer it?

 

If the content of my post doesn't let you in on my answer then you really are the dumbest of the dumb. Not only have I already indicated that I believe NONE of your crap, not any of it - I have done so on numerous occasions! Which part of this confuses you?

He offers no evidence, no names, no dates. He makes no links to their relatives or involves them! He references involvement in something he has no qualification to be involved in, in a hospital that would not have such a ward. He says vaccinations were performed in a covid-19 ward - why would that be?

He is not qualified and offers ZERO evidence.

I would go so far as to suggest that this is the some of the most dangerous and damaging batshit ever posted on social media and forums. I think anyone who gets sucked in to this is walking dangerous ground, but even worse, the clowns who promote it are responsible for real, quantifiable, reported deaths!

Step 1:
Staffordshire Covid sceptic urges people to get vaccine - BBC News

Step 2:
Staffordshire Covid sceptic Marcus Birks dies in hospital - BBC News

 

U.S. radio host who regretted vaccine skepticism dies of COVID-19 | CTV News
LA man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines dies of virus - BBC News
Phil Valentine, radio host who regretted vaccine skepticism, dies of Covid-19 (nbcnews.com)
Vaccine sceptic dies of Covid-19 after thinking 'only elderly got sick' - Birmingham Live (birminghammail.co.uk)

Many, many more!

 

Why do you automatically believe these alternative crap websites?
Why do you ignore reasons for why their testimony is not even close to being sound?

 

So, spammer. You aren't even tap-dancing around these. You are just running away like a big chicken.

Are you going to answer them?

 

Bullshit. You aren't qualified to have an opinion that merits regurgitation! Things have been verified, you just aren't educated enough to understand.

Why do you automatically believe these alternative crap websites?

It makes me wonder how the world can be so screwed up that clowns making noise on the internet can actually contribute to killing people! Like you!

Name one of the lying clowns who you have verified as telling the truth. Just one!

FTFY

Cretin comment. 1. You are a serial forum spammer who is a known liar. 2. You never verify a single thing you post. 3. If it's batshit it's posted. 4. Nothing in your entire entire inept forum history has ever come close to proving that statement.

FTFY

Then verify the damn thing! Preferably before believing it and splattering it on here like a gullible fool.

 

Evasion again:

Why do you automatically believe these alternative crap websites?
It makes me wonder how the world can be so screwed up that clowns making noise on the internet can actually contribute to killing people! Like you!

What do you do to verify a single thing you post?

MEH! That epitomises your entire behaviour online! I believe nothing you post and you ignore everything that contradicts it. THAT is evasion.

What viewers? Most of them are from the people posting.

You aren't the spokesperson for any viewer smart enough to see your batshit is batshit.

 

It isn't info the pandemic is not a scam. People are perfectly capable of finding this total crap you keep posting! It's like you must think you are some hero of the trufers, toiling through the complicated internet and sifting through the maze of data. Yet, that is the opposite of what you are doing!

Why do you automatically believe these alternative crap websites? It makes me wonder how the world can be so screwed up that clowns making noise on the internet can actually contribute to killing people! Like you!

What do you do to verify a single thing you post?

 

So what! You look for crap like that. Go look for studies on the matter instead of believing idiotic batshit.

They don't act like an ass - they go and verify it! You complete failure as a trufer!

Vinny Curry to Miss NFL Season Due to Complications from Rare Disorder | PEOPLE.com
New York Jets defensive end Vinny Curry will miss the upcoming NFL season due to complications from a rare blood disorder.

The football player, 33, announced the news on Wednesday in a statement, revealing he has been put on blood thinners following complications triggered by the removal of his spleen.

Jets doctors diagnosed him with the unspecified disorder in July.

"The diagnoses required the removal of my spleen and projected me to return to the field in the middle of September," he posted on Instagram. "During my recovery, blood clots formed and forced me to go on blood thinners preventing me from having physical contact for the next three to six months."

 

There you go again with your naive willingness to believe when you read mainstream info*. Do you think there's a chance that the official story was written by liars?

Here's the whole article.
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The National Football League announced ahead of this year’s preseason that it would pressure all of its players to get the still-new COVID-19 vaccines if they wanted to take part in games this year, and it’s a decision that is already having fallout.

One player, New York Jets defensive end Vinny Curry, has likely seen his career go bye-bye because after getting the vaccine, he developed life-threatening blood clots as many other people who’ve been vaccinated have.

The COVID Blog reports:

A 33-year-old NFL defensive end will miss the entire 2021 season and is likely done playing professional football. Mainstream media, however, are completely censoring the reason why.

Mr. Vinny Curry received one of the experimental mRNA injections sometime this summer. He did a public service announcement promoting and encouraging people to get the “safe, effective” injections. Mr. Curry also confirmed that he received the shots himself in the PSA. Atlantic Health System in Morristown, New Jersey produced the PSA. It is one of the largest healthcare networks in the state, encompassing six hospitals in 11 New Jersey counties. Atlantic Health posted the PSA on Facebook on August 3.

Not long afterward, Curry had to have his spleen removed because of a “rare blood disorder” that showed up out of no where, and while Jets team doctors claimed initially that Curry would probably be ready to play by the mid-September season opener, that isn’t going to happen.

The thing to keep in mind is that while you can live without a spleen, the organ filters blood and removes or recycles red blood cells; without it, your liver, kidneys, and other organs have to work harder in order to compensate.

“Last week, Mr. Curry updated everyone via Instagram and Twitter. He said doctors also diagnosed him with blood clots, forcing him to take blood thinners for the foreseeable future,” The COVID Blog noted. “Blood clots are common and known post-injection adverse events.”

Because of those clots, Curry is now slated to miss the entire 2021 season; and at 33, it isn’t like he has a lot of seasons left to play. In fact, he was likely only going to play four more years but they represent his final opportunity to cash in on a rare opportunity — playing in the most lucrative professional sports league on the planet. Now, it’s very likely his career has been prematurely truncated all because he was forced to take a vaccine for a disease that has a 99.5 percent recovery rate.

And of course, the garbage media has refused to connect the dots between the vaccine and his health condition, though it’s known the coronavirus vaccines have been known to cause conditions like pericarditis and blood clots.

“ESPN, Sports Illustrated and NBC Sports are three of the top U.S. sports mainstream media outlets. All of them reported on August 25 that Mr. Curry would miss the entire 2021 season due to blood clots and a ‘rare blood disorder,” The COVID Blog noted further.

“However, none of them mentioned that he received one of the experimental mRNA injections sometime over the summer. Jets Head Coach Robert Saleh said in a July 28 press conference that 81 of the 90 players on the training camp roster had received the experimental injections.”

According to the NFL, “Tier 1” employees — coaches, trainers, and others who are in close contact with players — are required to get the jabs if they want to keep their jobs. Players are not required to get the shots, but if they don’t they face several requirements and restrictions such as constant testing and other petulant mandates.

So far, at least two NFL assistant coaches have been fired because they refused to take the shots; the Buffalo Bills are continually in the the news because many of the team’s players have refused to get them as well.

But as Curry proves, there is a real danger to getting the jabs, though no one in the NFL’s head office appears to care.
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