Judge rules Trump's efforts to overturn election likely criminal

Yep, it ain't rocket science nor does America have Kings (at the very least, no one s/b above the law).

 

No right to privacy at all?? Said no court ever.

 

Manchin only fell into a position power through no real initiative of his own.... it happens by the numbers sometime, and when it does, it exposes some for who they really are...

Manchin likely knows he's now outside of the circle of trust, and it's very unlikely he'll ever be in it again... What few "victories" he's achieved by screwing the administration will come back in spades if and when he ever truly wants to accomplish anything ever again...

Sinema is completely out... she'll be primaried easily...

 

Obviously we need to know. The question is what are the limits to government's power to find out.

Don't say "no limits!" because that would allow arrest and confinement without trial, plus physical torture. This isn't North Korea.

 

Limits are decided in a court of law and by applying the rule of law.

 

Just curious ... are you completely indifferent to government debt? Manchin is not, and none of us should be.

 

I agree, but that sentiment is not reflected in the posts above claiming that Trump surrendered all privacy rights by becoming president.

 

Not completely, but it's not in my top 5 issues either... We don't have that luxury anymore to worry about that these days.... sort of sad in fact..

Don't kid yourself on Manchin... he may be one of the last to be actively talking about it, but it's not a red line for him either...

 

He started with a right to limited privacy. as all presidents do.... outside of the Oval Office or travelling for work.

The problem with T**** is that he permanently blurred those lines by conducting WH business in the private residence... Once people know you are doing that, his privacy levels approached zero in my book...

 

People only care about government debt when they are arguing against spending money on something they don't like.

I didn't hear anyone talk about the debt when we were sending funds to Ukraine.

 

Well, it's complicated. There is such a thing as an emergency. I am aligned on this issue withThe Tea Party Patriots who were calling for an across the board reduction of 10%, yes including for the military.

 

it is complicated.

Which is why simple things like 10% across the board cut are just sloganeering.

Simple solutions for complex problems. That's the tea party for you.

 

If someone would come forward and say "Trump was talking to me on January 6 and he urged me to take action that I knew or believed was unlawful,", or "I overheard Trump talking to a GeneraI about a coup, that's one thing."

And maybe that has happened.

White House logs showing no calls to or from Trump from a little after 11 a.m. until almost 7 p.m. “are not consistent based on other information the committee has” on communications he had with lawmakers and others, Thompson said. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hs-subpoena-of-trump-s-personal-phone-records

But what are we going to find out here? Phone records are not transcripts. They can subpoena John Doe and accuse him of having a phone call with Trump. But Wwhen they say "What was the call about?" He'll say "We were discussing the riot." Obviously. Everyone in the world was discussing the riot. No one Trump was confident enough to call that day is going to tell the committee that there was any nefarious substance to the conversation.

They'd better be careful lest someone say, "President Trump was weeping because he was deeply concerned for the safety of Democrats in the Capitol." Then what?

 

It's better than hand wringing and shoulder shrugging.

Anyway I'm open to suggestions.

 

it's not better than hand wringing and shoulder shrugging, because it will never happen.

it is an election slogan, not a legislative plan.

 

What is there job? Their job is not to investigate people who run for office just to see if they can find something. You are accusing Trump, the private citizen as a candidate of some crime, investigation of crimes is most certainly NOT the job of Congress as I have shown over and over.

 

His actions were as a private citizen, a candidate challenging the election results.

 

this was not personal business

he was President, what he was doing during the attack on our Capital the people have a right to know

 

I get why the right doesn't want to know what Trump was doing as President

 

Some slogans catch on and actually win elections. HRC cackled at "Make America Great Again." Ask her if she's laughing now.

But we either talk about and care about debt or we don't. If spending reduction won't work, we either raise taxes to a crushing degree or we just live with the debt and risk default.

 

Actually, they, simply put, don't care. They believe he speaks for them and that's all that matters to a partisan who considers oneself a victim. It's all about the steady diet of the fear and anger now.

 

there job is to overseas the other branches, when the Capital is attacked to overturn an election, it is definitely their job to investigate it

 

nope, he was calling members of congress to ask them to do what the attackers demanded

 

Don't generalize! Romney, Christie, Haley, Graham, and Pence, to name a few, are very influential players on rhe Right. They were horrified and remain so. It's wrong to say they don't care. I'm on the right and it made me sick.

 

Come on, nobody disagrees with that. The question is, how far do their investigative powers reach? What tools can they legitimately use? What limits are there on THEIR power?