Khadafi Deposed - Does Obama get any Credit?

Isn't it more a matter of rooting against 'our' President and rooting FOR our country since 'this' (The regime, this war, what exactly is this?) started?

 

So your beef is that it took too long?

Libya has been going on for 6 months and we never needed a full scale deployment for this strategy, so there isn't a huge, protracted drawdown/disengagement that we need to perform.....Don't Iraq and Afghanistan bug you a bit on this score? They've been going on for nearly a decade and still don't have a perceptible end to a large troop presence and continued American casualties.

 

Libya is NOTHING like Afghanistan... plus its on the MED.

Italian Libya was a unified colony of Italian North Africa from 1934..

Meanwhile.. The foreign journalists have all left Hotel Rixos.. and the Khadafi loyalists who were guarding them have all split.

 

LOL...what BS.
NEWS FLASH! NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND!!! Remember?

BTW...Unlike you self-serving wing-nutz...most Canucks don't need pats on the back for doing their job well. We covered your collective asses in Yugoslavia, and in Afghanistan and now in Libya.

Gee...for a bunch of frozen, back-assed-wards colonists...we seem to win more wars than you guys...imagine that...

 

Is it working out well? I don't know. Who is in charge in Libya now? I have heard talk of funneling billions of dollars to Libya now. Who will we be funneling this money to? Are we going to have to nation build Libya now? Obama won the election on the concept of getting us out of the Iraq quagmire and it seems he's only gotten us into a third one.

I think the jury is still out on what exactly we have with Libya.

 

Let me repeat one more time, without repeating basics others already told you.

I do judge Bush according to the exactly same standards and laws as Obama.

Bush made a case before the Congress and the American people and was approved.
Obama did not.
Iraq violated the International law.
Lybia did not.
Bush attempted to solve the problem by peaceful means until they were exhausted.
Obama does not even know that he should.



Bush killed to uphold the laws.
Obama is killing and breaking the laws.

Democrats prove again that the main religion of America, that is the rule of the law and equality before the law means nothing to them. Obama and his supporters are anti-American.

 

Obama will get all the credit he deserves for violating the War Powers Act

Obama will get all the creidt he deserves for midwiving a new nest for the Jihadists

The next President will have his or her hands full for some time cleaning up the foreign policy blunders of the fool in the White House

 

So the core of the problem, like just about everything else in the Middle East stems from European colonization efforts and their brutal and oppressive methods to separate and control the populations which left them in total disarray when they left? Yet its always America that gets blamed for the evils of the world.

 

Are you aware that in 1998, Saddam begged the US and UN to lift sanctions to allow Halliburton to come in and repair and update technology for their oil facilities?

The estimated cost at the time was 20 billion dollars.

Bush NEVER considered that.. He simply fell into lockstep with PNAC demands.

The US stood a better chance of negotiations with Saddam than with Khadafi.

Have you followed Khadafi's career since 1969?

 

im not sure how wanting to keep a terrorist supporting dictator in place is rooting for our country....

 

doesnt it seem like just yesterday righties were in FAVOR of democracy in the muslim world?

what happened?

 

What happened is that Obama started an illegal war in Libya that has cost $1 billion and counting which may install an even more radical Islamic government than Libya had before.

 

you are kidding, right?


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, March 1, 2011

US Special Forces have reportedly landed in Libya to train anti-Gaddafi rebels as a western-backed coup d’état in the oil-rich nation nears, with British and French “defense advisors” also arriving to set up training bases in the rebel-controlled eastern region of the country.

According to a report in the Pakistan Observer, hundreds of special forces personnel from the US, Britain and France arrived on February 23 and 24 in “American and French warships and small naval boats off Libyan ports of Benghazi and Tobruk.”

The article states that the report was confirmed by a Libyan diplomat in the region, who said that “The three Western states have landed their special forces troops in Cyrinacia and are now setting up their bases and training centres,” in a bid to bolster rebel forces resisting Gaddafi’s militia in the surrounding region.

“The Western forces are reportedly preparing to set-up training bases for local militias set-up by the rebel forces for an effective control of the oil-rich region and counter any push by pro-Qaddafi forces from Tripoli,” states the report.

In addition, efforts to “neutralize” the Libyan Air Force are underway in a bid to stymie Gaddafi’s ability to rule from Tripoli if he manages to remain in power.

The US Navy has also confirmed that the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, which had previously been on pirate-hunting duty off the coast of Somalia, is now steaming towards Libya as tensions rise.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton publicly admitted for the first time yesterday that the United States was preparing to back anti-government rebels, despite Hafiz Ghoga, the spokesman for the newly formed National Libyan Council in the rebel controlled eastern city of Benghazi, warning that any “foreign intervention” would not be welcome.

“The rest of Libya will be liberated by the people … and Gaddafi’s security forces will be eliminated by the people of Libya,” Ghoga said during a news conference.

 

Libya was and is a beautiful country with somewhat sophisticated tastes.. and Italian colony from 1934.

Idris had been Emir of Tripoli and transitioned quite naturally into King when Libya became independent 64 years ago.. but he grew older..

Khadafi was a junior officer when Idris was deposed in 1969 in a bloodless coup and within months had also ousted his superior officers.

27 year old Khadafi was an uneducated bedouin boy.. rash, impulsive, defiant ..and he NEVER grew up.

 

I won't argue on this point. I'm of the opinion that we never should have engaged in Libya at all.

But since we did. Obama should have sought congressional approval for use of military force.

 

righties ARE in FAVOR of democracy in the muslim world, as well as in favore of the rule of laws.

Lefties are in favor of bringing democracy on tips of bayonets and shoving it in the throats of muslims. Lefties have no concept of laws and equality before laws. Righties are for promoting and achieving peace. Lefties are bloody murderers acting for sake of enjoing the murder. Pop more corn to watch further suffering of humans under lawlessness imposed on them by democrats.

Righties look at muslims as at humans, bad or good. Lefties look at muslims as at a disposable material for achieving their agenda.

 

He took 3 weeks to decide to engage or not, missing an important inflection point while civilians, ostensibly our raison d'être, died. THAT is the beef. That is pee poor leadership. That is epic fail.

 

Prison Planet? Really?

We never put American Boots on the ground. CIA, most certainly....Spec Ops probably.

But this is unconfirmable. Besides pilots who were shot down/in a crash, point me to a U.S. casualty due to a ground battle in Libya......

 

You would have slammed Obama is he had gone in immediately instead of waiting for NATO, the Arab League and intelligence reports.

 

Morgot, you're on my list of pathological liers and perverts. I made statements. You have made no objection to any of them. They stand all true. You stand as you are.

 

You covered us in Yugoslavia? With what? All 18 of your US built CF-18 Hornets? Way to go Canada! You showed us. What military hardware does Canada have that they created themselves? Whatever military success you claim is due to hardware created by others, not Canadians.

 

Yep. Obama owns this and I don't want to see his supporters denying his ownership of this in the future if this 3rd war Obama got into continues to cost lives and money.

 

who knew righties were pacifist hippies

 

There was a point where the rebels enjoyed a better strategic advantage before they were pushed back and we engaged, so your argument has validity, hypothetically. However a successful strategic end and actual near-term exit possibility does not equate to epic fail. That's called picking nits.

 

we missed an important inflection point?

you realize the headline isnt "Khaddafi victorious" right?