Khadafi Deposed - Does Obama get any Credit?

What LAWS was Bush upholding when we attacked Iraq without a coalition or any consensus from the Europeans or the Arabs???

 

Now I even like him personally. We could make friends. Go, Khadafi, go... let's ride those camels.. yeeehhhaaa!!...

 

so youre only for democracy when you know the outcome in advance?

did you oppose the war in Iraq for the same reasons?

 

Lier, lier, pants on fire... Does anybody want explain to margot in details?

 

No doubt.....

I actually had hopes for Khadafi in 2004.. I thought perhaps he'd changed.

 

Libya's a mess and I will hold Obama responsible. It's very likely this will now become an AQ stronghold.

 

Papa Bush had a coalition that paid for most of Gulf War 1.. The numbers are available.. Those who paid the lion's share were Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Japan ...

Bush junior didn't get any financial support from other countries for Gulf War 2.

Look it up yourself until you are satisfied with the source.

 

Still obsessed with Bush. Funny thing is, even Bush could beat Obama in 2012.

 

LOLOL..

The Arab Spring has a completely different agenda from AQ.

AQ is passé .....

 

Nobody has to look up to see the liers pants on fire. Anyony who has a bit of time may explain that to the liar.

 

So what? Who USED the hardware?
Who kept the peace?
Who managed Afghanistan while you cowboys went and attacked a country that had never attacked you?
Who managed Libya?

Hardware...pfft...I have nothing against the US military...or any military personnel...they are to be commended. But some of the "Decision Makers" down there are questionable...to say the least.

But hey...Americans did create the killin' machines we used in your stead...so congarats for being able to fit that nut on that bolt...job well done.

 

So he's only responsible for the bad stuff..?

If the new government turns out to be fine? Cooperative and friendly even?..

 

You must be a teenager.



http://people.psych.cornell.edu/~fhoran/gulf/GW_cost/GW_payments.html

 

Obama owns it good or bad much like he was given praise for the "summer recovery" last year when it looked like things were going good.

 

CIA and special ops are boots on the ground. Your agenda is showing through, you may wish to hide it better.

 

Yes.

For $1 billion spent I expect a Libyan government that is less terrorist and more pro American.

Chances are Obama violated the law and didn't achieve of those two goals.

 

You are ignoring the core problem. Its the same in every place the Europeans colonized. The way they ruled was by splitting and pitting groups against one another, which is why just about every single place they have been that had multiple ethnic/tribal factions is still in disarray. Now Europe is a second class power and the blame for all the ills of the world fall to the US. When they left they used an arbitrary method of border creation that only increased the problems, perhaps not the case in Libya, but in many other parts of the world. Granted each nation state has some of its own unique attributes a myriad of their problems can be traced back directly to their colony status.

What Khadafi got was a product of failed colonialism. Granted the Ottomans are responsible for a lot of it, it was the Europeans that held it last. The one constant that flows across history is that colonies were never united into the nation state they would become. Leaving multiple groups to vie for power of a geographical area that took no account of ethnic/tribal bonds that spread across the arbitrary borders.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not defending Khadafi, but one should understand that he is one of the few leaders in the world that had sole power beginning in the Cold War and remained after it. His failure is similar to Saddam's failure, inability to cope with the new global structure. He didn't change with the times, he tried, but failed. Saddam never tried.

 

That's presumed. Point me to any confirmed reports.

One thing can be confirmed......not a single U.S. casualty.

 

Italy just didn't do such a bad job and there weren't there long.

 

His judgments and decisions in that first month are what led to the ending we saw yesterday.

His judgments and decisions led to getting Osama bin Laden.

I know this sticks in the craw of every Obama-hater on this board but you might as well swallow that wad of crow in your mouth before you choke on it.

 

What did you expect from the war on Iraq?

Here's the cost of Papa Bush's Iraq war.




http://people.psych.cornell.edu/~fhoran/gulf/GW_cost/GW_payments.html

 

Obama was called off the golf course when the attack on bin laden took place... and called off the golf course to make comments about breaking news in Libya yesterday.

Yes, of course he'll get credit. For playing golf. The only things he's done consistently since he's been in office.

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They didn't do anything to help it along to becoming a nation state before they left.

 

Don't be dumb.. Obama was in meetings with advisors and military chiefs for many weeks before they attacked Bin Laden.

 

They did.. King Idris had been Emir of Tripoli for years and years and he was good at his job.

The transition was seamless.. Idris became King.