Kim Davis to be released from jail- may not interfere

exactly, just like a school principle that refused to let women teach or little girls learn cause of his beliefs, the beliefs are not the issue, it's the actions that are

 

Violating he civil rights of people seeking marriage licenses in her county.

None of those apply in this case.

14th amendment.

 

This case is a perfect example for WHY we have a First Amendment in the first place...

No, this woman will win every time....

If people want gay marriage or any marrige for that matter - then have your legislators legislate the concept of marriage at the federal level...

States have marriage laws - our federal government does not...

No law has been broken, because the SCOTUS are not legislators and they had no business even touching this case...

It is clearly obvious that these ideas are too complicated for many of you to understand....

It is very funny that you don't get the concept that there isn't a law, hence a judge has nothing to enforce and that judges dont write legislation - legislators do.

I understand you want gay marriage even if that means tyrannical behavior - shows how much respect YOU have for the law or this country and why this country has turned to (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

So? Abolitionists used the bible to justify abolition. Who was correct.

Slavery is antithetical to the teachings of Christ. You know this. The slave owners also knew this. Slavery is no more because of Christianity and the christian ethic.

 

Why the hyperbole. The government official was CLEARLY in violation of her duties and the court order, putting her in contempt of court. She was let out because of a supposed agreement, the accommodation that is being made for her personal beliefs. She, the government official and her lawyer appear to be planning to violate that agreement and that accommodation which will deny the citizens of the county from conducting their lawful business with the county and state.

 

I hope she goes back to her office, calls in any clerk that has issued a same sex marriage license, and fires them on the spot.

Then she can issue letters to the people that got marriage licenses that they are null and void.

Screw the judge. He ain't God.

 

The slaveowners.

Leviticus 25:44-46 - "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way."

Ephesians 6:5 - "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ."

1 Timothy 6:1-2 - "Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them."

 

I am against Discriminating against people because of some idiot wanting to impose their religious beliefs on others and great big clue the government, Federal or State, cannot discriminate either based on.......................the Constitution, that is why the SC ruled as they did. Whether I want gay marriage or not, do does it matter if you do or not, it is the fact is not going to go away no matter how much some stomp their feet and whine. Wrap you head around that fact then move on to something that actually effects your life.

 

And the 14th Amendment pretty much states I have the right to your TV and I can sue you for it using that POS clause...

Your civil rights are in the first 10 Amendments - its called the Bill of Rights... One of those rights states that States have the right to self legislate beyond federal law.... There is no federal marriage law - hence the state has the right to legislate.... Also, people have the First Amendment RIGHT to practice their religion.....

 

Not to mention that marriage has nothing to do with federal laws. It is a 10th Amendment issue. States issue marriage licenses, not the federal government. The same 5 justices that argued that this was a 14th Amendment issue, argued just a couple of years ago that is was a 10th Amendment issue and that states should decide which is what their excuse was for overturning DOMA. Scalia mocked them mercilessly for their hypocrisy in his decent.

 

Like most atheists you are ignorant. What part of a new convenient do you not understand. The old testament does not trump Christs commandments. And you are totally misreading Timothy because you are biased. Slavery is not being condoned its being condemned.

 

Yes, as a government official she cannot inject her religious beliefs into the government and it's proper functions deny law abiding citizens their ability to conduct their lawful business with the government.

She has lost at every step.

Marriage law is not federal, this is based on the SCOTUS equal protection ruling.

But those laws must comply with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you and I might not agree with that decision but it was made and stands as the law until challenged again and then if the SCOTUS agrees to review it again.

This is solely about a government official refusing to carry out their state constitutional mandate and refusing to allow the citizens to conduct their lawful business with the state based on that government officials personal beliefs.

No one should stand for that.

What if it was the issuance and renewals of liquor licenses the government official objected to base on personal beliefs?

You can pound sand all you want, for now it is the law that the licenses must be issued to SS couples and her refusal is for ALL marriage licenses not just SSM.

it's not complicated at all. What if the government official was a Muslim follower of Sharia and refused to issue drivers license to women?

I do not support SSM and believe the SCOTUS ruling is flawed. But I also believe in the rule of law and that government officials cannot inject their religious beliefs into our law in order to deny citizens their lawful access to the required government licenses, permits, grants or any other government business in which the choose to engage.

 

Once again, not one of you Davis haters has given ANY example of ANY official at ANY level of government being jailed for contempt over refusal to comply with any federal court's order in relation to "doing your job" or "civil rights" for any civil law. Name any? If not, my using the word "unique" is accurate.

Since you claim it is "done daily all around the Nation," give one example in the entirety of American history over civil administrative policy.

 

No one is imposing religion.... Was this woman converting people to Christianity by force?

Yes, I understand you don't know law or the the difference between force or refusal and your main goal is gay marriage by any means possible.

If you don't understand what is going on here then I have zero interest debating your wants or desires.

 

seeing kim talk is sad, the religious nuts are abusing her and brainwashing her imo

Huckabee should be ashamed of himself

she so badly craves attention, this is why she has so many husbands, no one can ever fill the void.... the religious nuts are just her new comfort food

she is the new joe the plumber for the religious right

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This is way bigger than just religion..... This is also a Tenth Amendment issue - do you not understand this?

There is no federal marriage law...... Do you not understand what that means?

 

What about an atheist who refused to issue a building permit personally believing the construction will endanger a species, though the EPA says it won't? I gather you believe that person should be immediately imprisoned for refusing to do their job? Injecting personal hatred of religious people doesn't add anything to the topic, does it?

 

That would be hilarious. She would then be thrown back in jail and the person she fired either rehired or would be getting a hefty settlement.

Which would have the same effect as if you issued letters saying they are void.

correct. The judge actually exists.

 

And state law MUST comply with the Constitution SOTUS ruled this is an equal protection issue. You want to change that it will take another case to go before them. Until then the states MUST comply.

 

Bingo!

Seems some people just cant grasp this concept. I'm glad someone gets it...

 

Good luck with that.




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If the court held them in contempt then yes, they will be sitting in jail and it's nothing personal, it's the law. Same if it was a Quaker who refused to issue licenses to sell guns or concealed carry permits.

 

Uh, no.

And then that pesky 14th came along and ruined it for you. States can legislate, but within US constitutional grounds. It's why Virginia has interracial marriage and sodomy isn't illegal in Texas anymore.

Within constitutional bounds. Banning same sex couples from marriage violates the 14th.
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correct. They just can't use it to break the law.

 

if a judge orders him to issue it and he refuses... the judge will punish him too, and if the judge jails him, it is not a war on Atheists either.... it's common sense

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You think they would have thrown a Quaker in jail for that?