-Let It Be Known What Atheism Truly Is-

I don't think anyone should "believe in" something that we do not know to be so.

I certainly do not.

But if one truly wants to be rational, sensible, and practical...one should not dismiss possibilities just because one does not particularly like them.

"Science" does not do that, T...and you shouldn't either.

 

Its the pragmatic position for the Agnostic-Atheist position science is proven to be effective at adding to our knowledge of the natural world and then using engineering adapting this to practical applications such as medicine using engineering while other mystical paths fail miserably at these things and can be very divisive. Now there maybe is magical juju out there just its not reliable or something that matters to everyday life.

Let me explain this simply if you had a dangerous infection in your leg would you trust going to a modern hospital with professional doctors and the tools of modern medicine and antibiotics OR pray over it and slap smelly oils on the leg and trust that. You be honest pick one that you feel has the best chance to save your life.

 

Atheism = "I don't believe you" in response to "There is a God"

 

I couldn't finish the video it's ugly. Get your stinking god stuffs out of my face.

 

Sure you do. You "believe" you are correct.

 

Ahem- In my final school year I got College of Preceptors exam passes in General Science and Advanced Science, so naturally the "Superscience" of the Bible intrigues me a lot.
For example Jesus did 37 "miracles" and said we could do that stuff too if we had the knack, so surely all open-minded truthseekers are as intrigued as I am?

PS- His miracles came in all sorts of shapes and sizes, for example there were the "remote control" ones when he never even saw the patient but cured them without a home visit (the Centurion's servant), and at the other end of the scale were the complex ones like when he spit in the dust to make mud pies and plastered them on a blind mans eyes, then told him to wash it off and bingo he could see!
Did the atoms and molecules of mud somehow transmute into new corneas or lenses or retinas or what?
Scientifically it was the 'transmutation of matter', how kool is that..
Oops sorry was I raving?

 

Handle that stuff the way you choose.

The conversation is about the nature of atheism.

Atheism has as much spread as does theism.

My comment go to the people who assert "there are no gods" or "it is more likely that there are no gods than that there are."

Both are blind guesses.

I am not discussing the nature of any gods that might exist.

Whether there are gods or not...my GUESS would be that worship, adoration, prayer, and all that horse manure...is worthless.

If I have something physically wrong, I see a doctor...and hope the doctor's knowledge can help me.

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If it were just that...atheism would make sense.

But, if you read what is being said here...IT IS MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than that for some people.

They are the people using the word "atheist" to whom I am addressing my comments.

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My position is:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.

I do not "believe" I am correct...I KNOW I am correct.

 

Let it be known that the OP is clueless as to what atheist are and think. Contrary to religious beliefs they do not eat babies or worship demons. After becoming atheist to Christianity I did not change my lifestyle(other than not participating in weekly cult/social club meetings).

 

Just another example of the hatred, your the one who pushed play.

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Lying is a sin, what you wrote here is unarguably a lie.

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He is not on a cloud. He is on His throne which sits above the circle of the earth.

 

I can't be on here for 24/7 like some people.

The only reason for massive amounts of atheism, is the deception put upon them from powers that be, and science falsely so called. Lost sheep being controlled by the players who know the "real game".

 

Listen to ya, absolutely ridiculous.

Modern science has done nothing to prove the bible wrong in any way, nothing ever has, nothing ever will. Get over yourself. Your "modern science" is a lie, and you believe it. You think those at the top don't know what's truly going on? They have atheists in their pocket, they do exactly what the elite want them to do. Discredit God, laugh at the Bible, act as if it's all a joke, and you follow like a lost puppy without a clue. That's a good little boy, now get to work and bring them their money, or it's imprisonment. You think your in control of yourself, that's funny. It's all been planned for some time now, your entire life, planned by the enemy! They have you in a position best fitted for their benefits, not so much for yours. And at the same time they have you believing this is all a good thing, as if this is the only way it can be, your little mind couldn't even imagine a life different than the current.

There is real science, and than there is science falsely so called.

1 Timothy 6:19-21King James Version (KJV)
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Do you know of any science falsely so called? Or is it all true to you, can you not even see it?

 

Apparently you was never truly a Christian. Otherwise you would of seen that, participating in weekly cult/social club meetings (going to church), is not a good thing for the times in which we are in. As a Christian, do you remember reading about the "great falling away". This is when even the churches are infiltrated by the enemy, teaching falsely the word of God. This is happening now, it's obvious you cannot see this. Infiltrated by the mother of harlots, or mother of all churches. Which all nations will sip the wine of her fornication and delicacies. What church is the "mother of harlots", you might ask? Roman Catholic Church (R.C.C.), Vatican City, Catholicism, the pope declares to be Jesus Christ, "hidden under a veil of flesh". The pope declares to have power over all souls of the world. The pope declares the power to forgive sins, the pope declares power to change and interpret the word of God.

What makes me think this is so?

Jesus told us, "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:5 KJB)
The Roman Catholic Church has the most followers of any religion (shall deceive many billions) and the pope claims to be Christ. Pretty hard to not understand. You might ask, how can we KNOW it's the enemy? Other than what I just told you, "you will know them by their fruits". Perhaps you remember the inquisition?

The Vatican in concert with the Roman Empire, also changed times and laws. Times (calendar) laws (ten commandments). The luni biblical calendar was used for biblical days and feasts, such as Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Booths (Tabernacles or Ingathering). The luni biblical calendar was 360 days on average. The heliocentric model is 365 and a leap year. How is it even possible that by switching to the heliocentric calendar the true biblical days have not been lost?

The Bible even let's us know what colors the mother of harlots wears.
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: (Revelation 17:4 )

In case you didn't know, a woman represents a church in biblical prophecy. A corrupt or evil woman is a harlot. Thus, "mother of harlots". The exact colors in the Bible for the mother of harlots is an exact match of the Vatican colors.

Atheists are nothing more than a deceived group of people on a grand scale. Not knowing of the true nature of things, and just exactly how real and important they are? lucipher having his way with them and with systematic ease. I pray for all of them to see, or at the least try to see what is truly at stake, and the true evil in which we live with, is far superior than anything on earth right now.

 

I see. It's all a vast conspiracy!

Science has thoroughly debunked everything in Genesis, from the flat earth to special creation and the flood myth ripped off from Mesopotamia. There is a conspiracy, though, namely one by wolves in sheep's clothing who tell gullible creationists what they want to hear in the form of "creation science" and "intelligent design". You want pseudo-science, there you go! They lie, deny and mislead, and rake in the dollars that their desperate religious followers throw at them for telling them what they want to hear.

 

If there is a god, may it smite you for being this bad at basic English.

Anyway, I always get a kick out of the "you weren't a True Christian (tm)" comeback. It's one clear sign that you're intellectually bankrupt. Having the kind of personality that allows you to remain in religious self-delusion and ignorance for a lifetime is not a virtue and won't change what happens when you die.

 

Science has proven most of the Bible(s) to be inaccurate or impossible.

Not enough water to cover the mountains, Dinosaurs and early homo species, Dead people stay dead, wine contains water but water does not contain wine, people die when put under water for days without air.....etc....

That you have an affliction which prevents you from understanding this does not make it go away.

 

Don't like Catholics very much, do ya?

Anyway...as for the Bible. Well...just as I think there is not enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about whether gods exist or not...

...in the other direction I DO think there is plenty of unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess that the Bible is, at best, a fanciful, self-serving history of the early Hebrews...interspersed with a god-mythology that is barely above the level of the stuff written by Aesop or the "Mother Goose" stories.

Just sayin'!

 

It's sad that you fail to realize the grand scale of it all. The true nature of good and evil, and the importance of understanding them is by far the most valuable asset anybody can have, and absolutely does have. Telling our Father during your judgment day, "I didn't know", is not going to work, for you do know. And that is nothing more than a child would do.

The tongue is the wickedest part of the body, your argument is very good when it comes to, "there is no God." Evil is all that is, finely tuning your wording as to confuse others into losing their souls with you, thus you don't feel so alone. The tongue is capable of deception on a massive scale, here that is what your doing, while others still have to choose for themselves, you do make it much easier for them to side with satan and yourself.

I truly pray that someone with such intelligence as yourself would see the absolute battle we all have within ourselves, is a battle of nothing but good and evil. What is in the individual conscience (mind), is absolute proof of God, and unfortunately the fallen one as well.

Man try's their very best to put a conscience inside a robot or computer, the problem is, they can't even come close. They don't even fully understand the conscience, let alone create one. The conscience is the "soul", which is the person. That individuality that cannot be replicated is something far more than one can even imagine, it is eternal, it is only the body that dies. "YOU", yourself, who you are, is eternal and will never die. This is absolutely important on understanding the "true game", we are playing.

 

You claimed to be a Christian at one point, I just showed you how you wasn't. Why so mad, so angry, is it the truth?

 

Me or maat, my confused amigo? You explained your view of the Catholic church to him, but how that proves that he wasn't or I wasn't a True Christian at some point is beyond me.

I'll also point out that the pope does not claim to be Christ. I've never been Catholic and even I know that.

 

I see...so as usual when confronted concerning a statement you make, the answer is to resort to pointless drivel in an attempt to avoid the subject in favor of making up silly religious opinion that has absolutely nothing to do with what you began with.

No wonder you are generally dismissed as useless in debate....have fun in heaven and I am pleased I will not join you as it would be very unpleasant.

 

Actually sir, that is called "science falsely so called." The deepest you have ever been to space, is your imagination!!!! Yes, there is a reason for this, perhaps you will figure that out. We only have a little more time, hopefully you can see this in time, as to save your soul and live in the kingdom of eternity.

As to the flood and evidence thereof, look no further than all the water. The fountains of the deep busted open, it was not only rain from the heavens. Science does nothing to prove the great flood wrong, however if they tried, they would absolutely prove it right, but that is something they won't even try. There is nothing within Genesis that has been proven wrong, maybe instead of just saying it has, maybe, hopefully, you can provide evidence for any of it? A passage within Job is a powerful statement as to man not understanding creation of earth and the entirety of our realm.

KJB- Job 38-
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

36Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

 

I can tell you right now - I'm not qualified to fly for any space agency and there is no affordable commercial service that can take me to space yet.

I'd consider a lunar cruise if it became an option, though I wouldn't opt to move to Mars. I think those people are crazy.

 

If you lack understanding that is not my fault. I am perfectly within the topic at hand (atheism), your inability to acknowledge that is absurd.

It's unbelievable that you would say, there is not enough water to cover the mountain tops. Are you kidding me!!? Does water not get absorbed by the earth, does water not evaporate by the sun? We have only been approx. 12 miles deep, how is it you can sit there and tell me what's under the earth, or that the fountains of the deep do not exist? Where is your proof? Or are you doing what you claim that I do?

Dead people do not stay dead, we all receive a resurrection when Jesus comes again, "the dead in Christ will rise first."

Did somebody make some molds that would appear to be bone, and get you to believe in dinosaurs? Have you dug one up yourself?

 

Have A Nice Day

 

Uhhh... what? What's with this remark?