LGBT bill to ban therapy for youth on sexual orientation issues is stalled in Mass.

I don't know. That's a great question. Why would the California legislature pass a law prohibiting licensed therapist from doing something none of them believed in anyway?

 

Do you believe homosexuality is wrong?
Where did that belief come from?

A belief, religious or otherwise, is still just a belief.

 

I'm sorry. A strawman fallacy is when somebody misrepresents an argument and builds a false argument that is similar to easily knock it down. How did I do that?

And to clear up any problems you may have with it. First there is absolutely no evidence that sexual orientation can change. Providing any therapy without at least a working therapy is unethical.

It is preying on people. People that want to be straight but are gay, will do anything to hold on to the hope that it can be changed. Therapy gives false hope, because there is no science supporting the idea that sexual orientation can change, and in most cases it's a failure.

Thus it's all smoke and mirrors. If it's not provide a theory.

 

No, it didn't and I'll give you and easy example, pre-colonial Africa, where the so-called Abrahamic religions weren't even known until the French and British colonized them. There, in most tribes, homosexuality was taboo. Among a lot of the tribes, it would get you killed. Many African writers blame the colonists for bringing it to their cultures. Pre-colonial African writers rarely wrote of homosexuality.

Homosexuality was not found in Native American peoples. If it were, the Americans would've exploited them for it, using it as evidence of their savagery.

 

Many who have gone through these practices have indicated that religion does play a huge role in it. The first statement often uttered is that "homosexuality is not part of God's plan for you".

A recent court case involving JONAH (Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing: a religious group, obviously) revealed that one of the groups "theraputic" practices involved groups of males being asked to strip naked and stand in a circle with the "therapist" who was also naked.

It's snake oil, it's often practiced by religious groups and that's why people bring that up and compare it to snake oil. There is no legitimate medical practice of "conversion therapy". It doesn't exist.

Call it "faith healing" and you're good to go. I can't see what is the problem with this?

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2012...ccusing-conversion-therapy-organization-fraud

“Sadly, there is no accountability for those who practice conversion therapy,” said Michael Ferguson, a conversion therapy survivor and plaintiff in the lawsuit. “They play blindly with deep emotions and create an immense amount of self-doubt for the client. They seize on your personal vulnerability, and tell you that being gay is synonymous with being less of a man. They further misrepresent themselves as having the key to your new orientation.”

 

You made the comment that the therapy was not based on religious principal and you are the one defending its practice against medical necessity or advisement. I never said some therapists do not believe in the practice, I am asking you why would they believe in something that has no basis in medical findings?

 

The state doesn't pass laws because they're afraid licensed therapists (who don't even believe in it) will be preying on people.

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Irrelevant. The issue is not what people do in their churches.

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I copied and pasted directly from the APA. Did you read any of it.

 

This is like shooting fish in a barrel:

http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/the-two-spirit-people-of-indigenous-north-americans.html

 

Not found was an overstatement. It was taboo in most of the hundreds of tribes. It still is.

 

Why shouldn't a cure for homosexuality be researched? I mean, it's clearly a disorder from a biological perspective. If I had a magic button that would prevent any more homosexuals from being born, what's wrong with using it?

 

The psychological power of Christian theology has no bearing on this?
As to 'screwing it up' and 'people like you' you'll have to try a lot harder to deflect my criticism of a twisted belief system inducing profound depression often leading to a horrendous number of youth suicides.

 

No one here is arguing against research of human sexuality, we are divided on whether therapy that has been shown to be ineffective and in some cases damaging should be forced on children by licensed medical professionals and their parents.

 

I did, as well as numerous reports from other medical and psychological associations.
What part of what I posted contradicts what the APA said?

 

And they had absolutely no religion?

 

Start another thread if you're so passionate about it. You're on the wrong topic, Christophobe.

 

Correct. They pass laws because the people want them too, or because they protect the peace.

 

Sure they did. But it wasn't Jew, Christian or Muslim, which is how many people think opposition to homosexuality began.

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But never for political reasons.

 

I guess that would be a good solution for those with a negative belief towards 2 people of the same sex loving each other. After all, there are too many people showing love towards one another and anything we can do to stop it will make this world a better place, right? Then we can go back to killing each other. Brilliant!

 

I mentioned religion, not a particular one. It's still the beginning of opposition to homosexuality.

Um...people wanting laws and protecting the peace are political reasons.

 

Research away, I wish you luck.

It's a biological disorder? Thus is a new one. Why?

Genocide is typically viewed as wrong.

 

Many people suffer the prejudices of others simply for being different, and religion has nothing to do with it. Disabled and people with special needs, for example.

 

Religion has something to do with it. It is used to justify that behavior.

This is all about disliking what is different. Or being different.

 

I suppose it depends if you equate abortion with genocide. 70 million abortions worldwide annually is a distressing statistic--especially when one considers the millions of live birth abortions. In China, a woman can be lawfully forced to have an abortion if she's already a mother. In many third world countries, abortionists will use a pillow or a heavy stone to kill the baby if it comes out alive. Westerners never discuss this daily genocide, though.

Anyway, I didn't mean to imply genocide. I envision my gay button as eradicating homosexuality from the fetus. Anything that frustrates procreation is a disorder, and if procreation is the goal of a species, homosexuality is a problem.

 

You have to realize that the vast majority of those who engage in homosexual behavior were severely 'damaged' (abused) as youth. With spiritual and psychological help, they're able to overcome the nightmare that they lived and have a happy and very normal heterosexual relationship.
Conservative Ryan Sorba went undercover and talked to many homosexuals that admitted that they were molested as children (and many of them in turn molest children).

[video=youtube;gXGlawiibK8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8[/video]

 

I don't believe you.

I don't buy that either.

Anecdotes of a couple of people don't amount to any evidence.