LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 2.12.14

So again, by the idea that "You're not homosexual, unless you have sex with a person of the same gender" that some espouse....

a man masturbating....while FANTASIZING about having sex with another man.....could claim "I'm not homosexual"?

Does anybody agree with that idea?

 

Sec has been proven wrong so many times because he keeps trying to equate homosexual to actions. When in fact the definition of homosexual is just preference or being attracted to the same sex.

Homosexual sex does not make someone homosexual. For instance if a guy raped another guy, the guy that is raped is not a homosexual because he had homosexual sex.

He still has not figured out that actions are not the same as preference even though the definition of homosexual has bee provided that proves him incorrect.

 

Let's just discuss this theory in general terms....not grant it to anybody in particular.

It's rather a remarkable idea.....if "Only having homosexual sex is what makes you homosexual, not what you think or desire" is true.....

then a person could go around and say "I am not gay. In fact, I think homosexuality is an abomination unto God".....but also say "I do not engage in homosexual sex, ergo I am not a homosexual"....BUT AT THE SAME TIME......that person could be attracted to the same gender, have engaged in homosexual sex in the past (but not currently).....and fantasize even masturbate to fantasies of having homosexual sex.....and under that "theory"....still "legitimately" claim that they are "not a homosexual."

This is extreme strange an idea in my opinion. Obviously, sexual attraction or sexual fantasies would show the person's true sexuality......if they are attracted to a person of the opposite gender or fantasize about having sex with a person of the opposite gender.....they are of course heterosexual.

Few of those who are anti-gay would disagree with that....especially those who are heterosexual and may not currently be in a sexual relationship with the opposite gender. I'm sure most anti-gay straight men won't say "I like women...I like having sex with women...I've had sex with women in the past......but I'm not straight because right now I'm not having sex with a woman"

However any who subscribe to the "It's not gay unless there's sex" Theory.....could be attracted to the same gender, have had homosexual sex in the past, still be attracted to the same gender....and say "I'm straight because I'm not having homosexual sex RIGHT NOW."?

Again....it's very odd.

 

Interesting idea, of course you can prove that there is a God to give those rights can't you or even to which God you are referring?

I did a topic on the very subject of rights, specifically the right to life, but it still covers all other so called unalienable rights i know you will disagree with it .. but I bet you cannot dispute the logic - http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/329575-abortion-violates-unalienable-right-life.html

The second point is nothing more than an appeal to tradition - http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-tradition.html

 

Thank you for using the capital G as there is only 1, true God.

Can physical, tangible proof be given to you about the existence of God? The answer is no; that is why it's called Faith.

It is much like the claims that despite no medical proof, you and others subscribe to the notion of "born homosexual". That is also faith.

I never once deny that my belief in God is my faith.

But, I never once see a homosexual admit that their faith is in the concept of "born homosexual"

 

There is more evidence of homosexuals being born that way than there is the existence of the Christian god.

Hell, we even have you admitting that you didn't "choose" to be heterosexual so why would someone "choose" to be homosexual?

 

huh?

you have me confused

of course I chose the heterosexual life

it's how I was raised

there is ZERO medical proof to the "born homosexual" theory so please stop acting as if there is.

 

So you were at a point in your life where you looked at girls the same as boys and then "chose" heterosexual? What age were you, because I didn't CHOOSE to be heterosexual, I always liked females.

Just like many gay friends I know didn't "choose" to be homosexual.

Oh wait, you still think homosexual is an ACT and not preference and continue to ignore definitions and the English language.

 

There is more evidence of an individual choosing homo sex as being a psychiatric medical condition then there is for any person's actions being programmed into DNA by a chance mutation.

Considering all the physical injury, diseases and average shortened life spans associated with the perverted sexual practices of male on male sex, i.e. fisting, rimming, golden showers, penile fecal contact, anual tissue tearing, exchanging a cesspool of potentially infected bodily fluids; semen, urine and fecal matter, etc.. Subjecting oneself to these and other medical hazards is insanity.

Since our government mandates Public Service Advertising on the dangers of smoking, drug abuse, wearing seatbelts, child car seats, etc. the responsible, humane thing to do is to target the homosexual audience, warning of the risks from engaging in these practices.

 

and that is your faith as you have no medical proof to support your assertion

Being immersed in a completely heterosexual family/world, I naturally went the heterosexual path. Try and support your claim and refute mine

I'll save you time, you can't.

 

that would be deemed "insensitive" but you raise a very good point

 

There is a scientific test called a penile plethysmograph where a rubber strain gauge is attached to the penis and measure erections. Then the subject is shown pornagraphic pictures of men and women and his erectile response is recorded. Gay men are found to respond more to the pornagraphic pictures of men while straight men respond more to pornagraphic picture of women. Since erections are an autonomic reaction, this clearly shows that homosexuality is not a choice, but a deeply held desire.

What is really interesting is that there was a study done that measured sexual response of those who feel dread when they in close quarters with homosexuals (homophobes). In the study, the researchers split a group of men up depending how they scored on a standard homophobia test called the IHP. Then they showed the men pornagraphic videos that included male/female sex, female/female sex and male/male sex and measured the men's erections. Both groups exhibited an increase in penile circumference when watching the straight or lesbian porn, but only the homophobic group showed an increase on penile circumference watching gay porn.

Here is the study if you want to have a look: http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf

 

Are you implying that families with gay children somehow have failed in the raising of their children?

 

If parents ignore any obvious self destructive actions of their child, they have failed as parents.

 

Homosexuality is no more self-destructive than religion. I've not seen any wars fought over someone who is gay.

 

That is a bogus analogy. People do not get diseases and tear the tissue wall of their anus by praying. Hating Christians does not solve your problem.

 

I don't hate Christians, just pointing out facts. If you don't like that, tough (*)(*)(*)(*) it is completely true. People don't go to war over homosexuality.

And your "anus" example isn't all gays or even lesbians. Nice try there. Your perversion of religion has caused more harm than homosexuality.

 

I perverted nothing. Sodomy is a dangerous practice as is licking the anus, drinking body fluids which may be infected with an encyclopedia full of diseases, penile fecal contact, shoving a human hand formed into a fist up an anus and inserting objects and small mammals into the anus just to name a few of the perverse practices.

Christians to not go to war over their faith. Power hungry men start wars.

 

You have an obsession with anal sex, you do realize that not all homosexuals do that and even many heterosexuals do that to don't you. Hey, whatever floats your boat but you mention anal sex more than gays do.

And yes, your perversion of religion is perverted trying to force people to conform to your ideology of morality. Don't like anal sex, don't have it. Don't like gay marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex.

You can continue your perversion of religion all you want, you just don't have a leg to stand on telling others what to do.

 

or may have inadvertently encouraged it. Heck, the lesbian couple in Cal are giving hormones to the little boy to make him a girl. Is it any surprise that the boy believes that he's a girl? The blue haired, single "mom" (is it NY) who is fighting for her boy to be treated like a girl, again, any wonder.

Yes, I do believe that environment plays a much larger role. In fact, if your "born homosexual" theory carried water, then identical twins would choose the same sexual lifestyle every time. Some folks are more susceptible to becoming smokers, alcoholics etc, but, it all starts with a choice. The same with homosexual sex.

At some point, the person chooses to go at in a way that their plumbing was not designed.

Does it mean that the parents failed, perhaps, perhaps not. As much as we parents like to think that we can "control" our children, that is the furthest thing from the truth. God gave us free will and if you want to give homosexual sex a try, then you will.

 

...that heterosexuals do. (Thought you may have forgotten this part.)

 

Actually I don't know if someone is born homosexual, there is not enough evidence either way. However, even if it is not true, it doesn't mean homosexuality is a choice. I have brought up the point time and again that while whom you have sex with is a choice, whom you are attracted to is not and it is who we are attracted to that defines our sexual orientation.

 

hmm, then one is "attracted" to cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, or gambling?

or, might they simply be more susceptible to destructive behaviors?

 

My faith is not a perversion of anything. Many people who reject the Christian religion do so because they prefer to engage in their sin and think that they will never have to be judged because of their sins. I believe they will be in for a big surprise.

BTW, who then decides what is moral and what is not? You? Mahmoud Abbas? John Clary?

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Which does not make those practices any less dangerous.

 

Prove it.

glad to see you admit that these so called unalienable cannot come from god.

there is far more medical evidence to say that homosexuals are born homosexuals that there is to whether god exists.

That would be because it isn't.