LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 2.12.14

Abstinence works 100% of the time.

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Prove marriage was defined different before the homo-fascists stomped their feet and demanded the word be changed.

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Should children be taught how to avoid becoming a victim of molestation?

 

So it might but abstinence-only education doesn't lead to abstinence.

Idealism's great until reality gets in the way.

 

If, as you and others are claiming, education does produce the desired results, then safe-sex education must also be considered detrimental.

Teach abstinence, promote abstinence and children will be less likely to be sexually active. If your goal is to enlarge the pool of available minors to have sex with, then teach safe sex and homosex..

 

Obviously you want me to say that marriage was originally defined as being between a man and a woman. Ok, fine, it was. But again, so what? Marriage was also defined as the man having ownership over his wife, that is no longer true. Things change. Traditions change. Attitudes change. Laws change. To say that something should stay the same because that's the way it has always been is an Appeal to Tradition Fallacy.

 

Are you seriously implying that those that support safe-sex education are pedeophiles? This is like Godwin's Law but with pedeophiles instead of Nazis.

Also, while safe-sex education is not perfect, it still works better than abstinence education.

 

huh? I was replying to the person about addiction. If one never chooses to take that first drink, or puff, or place the first bet etc, then they can't become addicted.

It's the same with gay sex. If you don't put jimmy into johnny then you can't become addicted to it.

 

That is not addressing the issue that I raised. It's a dishonest attempt to avoid it.

 

homo-fascists??? weren't you already smacked down for that ? More evidence that you're unable to learn anything.

 

references for this?

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reference for this too?

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Abstinence EDUCATION. What does not fit the OP?

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Call it what you want, do you prefer the Politically Correct Police? BTW, you signature line is also offensive and a violation of Rule #2.

 

you're pushing abstinence education and completely ignoring the documented fact that it doesn't work in preventing disease and pregnancy. Again , it's avoiding the issue that I raised. Is it possible that you don't even know what you are doing or is it that you're unable to respond in any other way? In either case, you are not impressing anyone with your intellect here. Notice I'm not calling you stupid, but your responses do call your intelligence into question. And if you don't like my signature line, report it and see what it gets you . It's just a prediction , not an attack on anyone. And calling people who are fighting for fascists is nothing short of ignorant flame baiting.





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The thing is you mentioned addiction along with attraction. They are totally different.

 

Abstinence is 100% effective in preventing STDs and pregnancy. It is the ONLY guaranteed program and should be taught, not how to put a condom on a cucumber.

 

William Blackstone, an 18th century judge from England said "By marriage, the very being of legal existence of a woman is suspended, or at least incorporated or consolidated into that of the husband, under whose wing, protection, or cover she performs everything."

Google it if you don't believe me.

As for safe-sex education being better than abstinence only education, here you go: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/ or http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED496286 or http://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(05)00467-2/abstract. That enough for you.

 

Nope because it depends on context. Teenage kids have raging hormones and are naturally rebellious but they do listen to their parents even if they pretend they don't. There's a big difference between telling them absolutely not to do something and telling them if the are going to do something they might consider taking a few factors into account.

But the proof on the ground is that that absolutely doesn't work so why do you keep plugging it?

I think you're getting dangerously close to breaching forum rules with that idiotic statement.

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So back in the 1700s women were oppressed? That is you evidence she was as a slave?

 

February 2010 Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine (JAMA) which demonstrates the effectiveness of abstinence education:


"This study – one of the most rigorous scientific studies on abstinence ever conducted – confirms what Focus on the Family has been advocating all along: Abstinence education works.


"There are four important take-away points from this landmark research that studied 662 high-risk, African-American, middle-school students. First, those receiving abstinence-centered education initiated sex less. They also had fewer sexual partners. Third, abstinence training did not reduce the use of condoms among the sexually active students in the study.


"The last finding from the study is very telling: students receiving safe-sex and comprehensive sex education showed little difference in comparison to students receiving no formal sex education at all. This result should cause us to question why the federal government drives more funding to comprehensive sex education than to curricula that promote an abstinence perspective.


"The study’s conclusion is, 'Theory-based abstinence-only interventions may have an important role in preventing adolescent sexual involvement.' That’s huge, because we know that preventing and delaying sexual activity in teens can play a major role in helping to ensure future academic, financial and family success – and that this is precisely what today’s youths want.


"When I speak with young people, they are looking for a brighter future – different from what many of their parents experienced during their 'sexual liberation.' Broken and dysfunctional families have become commonplace, but not something they want to replicate. These young adults understand their future family success has its roots in how they lead their lives today. Abstinence-centered programs not only promote healthy sexuality, but also provide hope and a roadmap for future happiness and fulfillment.


"This study on abstinence supplements what previous research has shown. Abstinence-centered education can – and does – work. We hope the Obama Administration will realize this and won’t continue to zero-out funding for abstinence-centered education. We encourage the president to follow the science and use taxpayer money to fund what has been proven to work: abstinence education."


For more information, call Monica Schleicher @ 719-548-5743 or e-mail Monica.Schleicher@fotf.org.

 

Not that I expected anyone to read it, but this is the correct, direct link to the study in the JAMA.


http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=382798

 

From the article:

Hmm... so tell kids they should wait until they are ready before they have sex and they will listen. Tell them that either they wait until they are married or they will burn in the pits of hell and they may not listen as well. Go figure.

 

I never said she was a slave, I said her husband had ownership over her. "...the very being of legal existence of a woman is suspended, or at least incorporated or consolidated into that of the husband". If that is not ownership, I don't know what is. Even if you argue that it is not ownership, which I'm betting you will, it still proves my point that the definition of marriage has changed.

 

If I never take that first drink, can I become an alcoholic?

It's the same with gay sex. If you don't engage in it, then you are not living the homosexual lifestyle.

I never knew that I liked pecan pie until I tried a bite. Now, some would say that I'm addicted to pecan pie; and they would be correct.

I was not born wanting pecan pie
Some might even say that I'm attracted to pecan pie but we'd never know until I took that first, blissful bite.

Now, that does not man that coconut cream pie doesn't catch my eye as it does. I've been known to swing both ways during a holiday meal and eat both.

But that is the point, you can claim the attraction toward gay sex all that you want (I'd call it a curiosity toward it). Until such time as you try it, you'll never know.

You may find that traveling the hershey highway (for men) is not as wonderful as you imagined, so you quickly leave the road less traveled and rejoin 96.4% of your fellow citizens.

 

Who made these claims for education? You must have this directed at another member. Regardless, the program worked and it is no surprise our gub'mint would not approve of it, since it did work.

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If ownership is not slavery, I don't know what is. The definition of marriage never changed from male - female as you contend. Show us where you think that is the case.

 

Sexual intercourse has so little to do with it.

 

it is the qualifier. Since being "homosexual" is not a race/species/sex, and cannot he proven with a medical test, that leaves one qualifier.

Yes, I like to eat pecan pie but I spend more time letting the pie sit on my tongue and letting my taste buds soak in the wonderful experience. It is euphoric.

 

It isn't the qualifier. Sorry kid.

You have good taste in pie but what relevance does this have?

 

Your understanding of addiction has some flaws, so let me educate you. Liking something is not an addiction. An addiction is a compulsion or an obsession for something that takes precedence over everything else in a person's life. Liking a pecan pie is not an addiction. Eating pecan pies to the point of not having money for anything else is an addiction. Having sex does not mean you are addicted, having sex to the point of destroying your family or losing your job is an addiction.

Here is a good article on the matter: http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/addiction