Logic can't be used in the Abortion Debate

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by GhostVII, Oct 19, 2011.

  1. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    that you pulled out of your rectum.

    Why do you have to resort to such ignorant questions? Can't make an intelligent argument?
     
  2. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Logic tells me that the woman is simply removing an uninvited guest who has taken up residence in her womb.
     
  3. Whaler17

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    Ah but the guest was not only invited in but created by the woman AND invited in!
     
  4. prometeus

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    What difference does any of that make?
     
  5. Whaler17

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    Pay attention and read the post I was respoonding to.
     
  6. prometeus

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    So it does not make a difference and you just spouted your usual drivel? OK
     
  7. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Still refusing to read I see, why are you here again? Oh yeah, just be a troll, that's right! :bored:
     
  8. prometeus

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    Care to remain on topic and answer the question or again you are not capable of intelligent discourse?
     
  9. ptif219

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    No the woman is responsible for it being there because of her actions
     
  10. OKgrannie

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    She's not the ONLY one responsible, but she's also being responsible when she has it removed.
     
  11. ptif219

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    No she is killing her child that is not responsible. Being responsible for your actions would be giving your child a right to life.

    Funny how you say she is not the only one responsible yet the father has no voice when it comes to abortion
     
  12. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Abortion IS responsible if the pregnant woman cannot care for a child. There is no father when abortion takes place, only a prospective father. Being responsible for causing a pregnancy doesn't mean he gets to make a choice.
     
  13. ptif219

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    So now you claim a double standard and hypocrisy. He is responsible but has no say.

    The responsible thing would be to have the baby and give it up for adoption. There is waiting lists for couples who want new born babies
     
  14. Herkdriver

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    Abortion was legalized, and remains legalized...for one reason...and one reason alone.

    Birth control.

    People enjoy sex, but many don't enjoy the consequences, costs and resposibilities
    associated with raising a child should pregnancy occur as a result of sexual intercourse.

    As sex is primarily based on emotion...the issue of being for abortion is primarily
    an emotional issue.

    This whole thing about "women's right to her body," "the fetus is not human yet" etc...is a ruse....

    Abortion is just another form of birth control...the woman wants to have sex but
    doesn't want to raise a child. Keeping abortion legal allows this to be just another form of birth control
    for the woman or man who doesn't want to raise a child.

    and that's the Bottom Line Up Front - BLUF
     
  15. Cady

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    Two questions.

    Doesn't the man at least share the responsibility?

    Do you think that making a woman pregnant gives the man the right to force a woman to continue a pregnancy and bear a child?

    Men who have a good relationship with the woman DO have some say, but the final decision is hers, because the health and life risks of pregnancy are hers to take or not.
     
  16. ptif219

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    I see a man has a responsibility but no say. That is hypocrisy and a double standard.

    Abortion is a woman not taking responsibility for the life she created
     
  17. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it's not. A man has the same opportunity to say no to sex and to use birth control himself. He has no say over the woman's choice to allow her body to be used or not. If a child is born, he has 50% of the say and the responsibility.

    Abortion is a woman deciding not to create a life for which she would be responsible.
     
  18. ptif219

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    So a man has no say unless it is to give the woman money.

    No abortion is a woman killing the life she created
     
  19. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If a child is born, he can petition for custody. Then if he wins it, he can get money from the mother. A man has every say before a child is conceived, he can refuse to have sex with any woman. He has 50% of the say after a child is born. He just happens to have no say about the woman's body. Abortion is a woman ending the process of creating a life. A life isn't created instantaneously, no matter you've been told, it takes nine months.
     
  20. ptif219

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    Nice try but absolute BS. A man can not get custody unless he can prove the mother is unfit or she agrees.

    All the man gets is to pay for everything.

    I would say it is the woman that controls the sex and prevention
     
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    Courts are being much more generous in awarding custody to men these days. In some cases all a man has to do is ask for custody and he will get it. IAC, most men have far more financial resources to launch a court case and sustain a court case than women do. Men have control over their own sex and their own prevention, and if they fail to exercise that control they have no valid complaint.
     
  22. Unifier

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    Careful. You're creating a slippery slope.

    By this rationale, all reason is inherently amoral. Ergo, the inevitable end result of a society that follows science and cold logic is sociopathy. Since everything you are applying to abortion here can just as easily be applied to any other issue.
     
  23. flounder

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    I see this only as a political and common sense issue, my personal feelings do not enter into it. What would we do?, make a law that a woman can not have an abortion and then be a part of a HUGE DANGEROUS BLACK MARKET? [And we would be a part]
    I say we can not control what people do in some situations, and this is one. You can not FORCE a woman to bare a child. If she wants an abortion she will get one, it's our responsibility to make sure she is safe, weather we agree with her or not.
     
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  24. ptif219

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    I doubt that men can do what you say unless of course you are talking about the rich.

    Woman have total control of the sex.

    Men and the baby in the womb have no rights the woman has total control to kill the baby and the man can do nothing about it
     
  25. OKgrannie

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    Most men still have more money than most women.

    Are you insane? Women cannot MAKE men have sex. If men cannot control themselves, and they therefore cede control to women, that is their problem. It doesn't mean women have some kind of special power.


    You're absolutely right that men cannot stop women from aborting, and neither should they have that power and control.
     

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