There are plenty of actual born children who are unsafe, hungry, sick, and in need of help. Why aren't those children your responsibility?
And this is where my signature line kicks in perfectly here. "If the anti-abortion movement took a tenth of the energy they put into noisy theatrics and devoted it to improving the lives of children who have been born into lives of poverty, violence, and neglect, they could make a world shine." But it's only ever about the unborn. Once you're born you're someone else's problem!
Because no matter how much you feel compelled to butt into a woman's business, there is really truly nothing you can do to safeguard an "unborn child" (aka fetus). Only the pregnant woman can provide for a fetus, no one else can.
then she doesn't need any food stamps, no free health care, no government support...right?! thanks for playing!
A woman controls who gets sex from her and if they use protection. So the father has no right to stop a woman from killing his child?
Do you think that making a woman pregnant gives the man the right to force a woman to continue a pregnancy and bear a child?
So the father has a right to force a woman to have an abortion? Who the hell gets the power in this situation? The man or the woman? Only ONE person can make a final decision if you have opposing opinions on what should be done. Is it only the person who thinks the fetus shouldn't be aborted the one who gets to make the decision? Hmm? What if BOTH the man and woman jointly decide to terminate the pregnancy? Then what? Then you believe perhaps a third party should be allowed to come in and say no? No. Only one person can make the final decision here and it should always be left up to the woman since she is the one who must carry the fetus for 9 months and then push it out of her vagina during a painful childbirth process. Her body is the one being put at serious risk to carry a pregnancy to term. The choice is hers and hers alone. If a man wants a baby so badly he should go and find a woman willing to bear the burden and take the risks involved with pregnancy. He should never be allowed to force it on an unwilling woman simply because he ejaculated into her once and she successfully conceived.
Any violent oppressors in the audience? Aha! We have a winner! Those who would impose their will upon others through violence or threat of violence are the facilitators for every violent regime that has ever existed and the opponents of individual liberty and accountability the world over.
But a woman doesn't force the man to have sex with her, so HE IS IN CONTROL of that at least. The man controls HIS OWN CHOICES regarding HIS OWN BODY. A PROSPECTIVE father has no right to prevent an abortion.
We do provide many service's to pregnant Mothers,,correct? As far as the termination of a child it is impossible for us to control, if the mother does not want that child she wont have it. If you can guarantee me that you can stop them all then there is a argument,,but you cant. If you tell me..''Well if we save one it is worth it,,I would say,,,no! The reason I would say no is because the question would then be..''Well how many Mothers died because of no facilities?, and the baby died anyway'' By sheer logic and numbers more lives would be saved by choice...In my opinion..Make no mistake about it, I DO NOT BELIEVE in killing a unborn child and yes to me it is life. However I can not let my personal feelings get involved, it clouds the issue... I also do not like going to war and killing, that does not mean it will ever stop, it wont. So we deal with the reality and make the best of a poor situation, and a Mother not wanting her child IS a poor situation, however it is REALITY!
And those who support choice for women facilitate freedom for all! Individual women should have the liberty to make their own choices without threat of violence from government enforcers.
????? You don't support freedom for all. You are a collectivist who plays the winners and losers game with government as your stick to beat others into compliance.
Ridiculous. I wouldn't force anyone to "comply." Individuals make their own choices unimpeded by government force.
Obviously. How is that germane? If she decides to strangle it when it's 5 minutes old, what do you suppose "we" can do about that? An argument for what? Really, I have no idea what the you're rambling about; so how about just telling me why, if we're obligated to ensure the safety of women, we're not similarly obligated to ensure the safety of unborn children?
Two reasons really, one being that society doesn't value "unborn children" very highly, and two being government doesn't have the power to prevent women from aborting.
I disagree. If we're using pure logic here, any behavior that is encouraged will be repeated. Anyone who owns a dog knows this first hand. If you give him a treat whenever he rolls over or plays dead, he's going to keep doing it. It's conditioning. All species are like this. We learn from systems of reward and punishment. Legal abortion in conjunction with social acceptance of the practice offers a metaphorical treat for someone who commits an abortion. Add this to the negative stigma that has been placed on pro-life views as being "sexist" and "anti-woman" and it's not hard to see how legalizing abortion actually perpetuates the problem. As for my personal take on it... You're right in that we cannot control what people do, but this does not mean society should sanction infanticide either. We keep drugs like crack and heroin illegal. And yet despite the risks of legal consquences as well as the shady circumstances of acquiring the substances through the black market and the health risks of the substances themselves, people continue to do them. But very few of us aside from the extreme libertarians would argue that we should make such drugs legal. Because we understand that even though there will always be some people who will risk life and limb to do something destructive, that is not enough reason for society to cave in and legalize something harmful. The way I see it, if you are going to risk your own safety to go get a back alley abortion somewhere instead of doing what nature intended you to do and behave like an adult and raise the child you created, then that's entirely on you. I have no control over that, and you deserve whatever you get. It's not society's responsibility to keep you from killing yourself. We have a greater responsibility to protect innocent people from being killed. If we do not value the smallest, most helpless lives among us, how can we value any life at all?
Thanks for the input but I cant see going back to the alley,,I have seen it before and a young girl is not responsible or wise enough to know exactly what she is doing. She is innocent as well, and yes you would be correct in saying that's not the majority,,,but still you are not going to stop it,,,,ever. Might as well offer safety.... I am not for it, but I cant see any way to control it either. Bringing crime into it does not help, you will still have the same amount of abortions, so what are you accomplishing? To try and impose morals others believe in is just not my cup of Tea, they have a right to what they believe just as we do, and most do not even consider it killing. The argument will go on forever if a fetus is really a person...
You claim there are no subject matter experts. If there are no subject matter experts then you can not claim the zygote is a a human being/homo sapien If the zygote is not a human being then killing one is not a homicide.
Well you asked about care for the unborn as well, we do give them protection and care. We even have Mental Doctors willing to help with such decisions.. You cant, and that's the point. You will never stop it, I wish we could. Rambling?, my post was very easy to understand. If you offer safety to a pregnant Mother [and we do] with Doctors, check ups and things, you are also helping the un-born. Of course if the Mother decides after she does not want it,,,you cant stop her,,can you? As you mentioned we wont be there when she decides to do it,,,it's done! So how the hell can you provide anything then to the baby? Do you really think making a law will stop them?, you have to be kidding. The reality is you wont, perhaps a few but it will continue and only be more dangerous for everyone. What if you had a fifteen yr old daughter and she could not handle having the baby, would you throw her in jail for her misguided choice? Would you want her to have it in a filthy ally? Would you rather your daughter die and say she deserved it? It's easy to say when not faced with it, but it's reality. How can we judge a person so young when we know from experience our own choices at such a tender age were far less than stellar...
