Mass killings by US forces in Afghanistan war

That was a wartime situation and as such must be tolerated military strategy employed to win a war.

Should we have waited until the Japanese developed an atomic-bomb before bombing them?

That's not the way to win wars ...

 

Wow! So much drivel I don't know where to start.

So I wont ... !

 

It's just frustrating to see your inconsistency, like it's unfair.
If you hold a certain political worldview, I could at least accept that, even if I very much disagree with that.
But you seem to change your worldview in different situations to support what you want.

Your belief about Afghanistan should (if you were actually consistent) disprove your worldview about role of government. You don't believe government can do anything about the Afghanistan situation, so you are content to just throw them over to the radical muslims. Yet then you will turn around and claim government can get involved and solve all sorts of other problems, and we should take on mass immigration because those people are "no different than us" and won't cause any problems which the government can't handle.

That's why I'd very much like to know what makes you think Afghanistan is so different from any other country in which you'd like to have your policies be implemented in? You've tossed Afghanistan and its people under the bus and said there's nothing that can be done. What makes you think you can solve all the problems in other countries? Why aren't you very concerned about immigration? Why don't you believe those people will bring their problems with them?

I know many progressives say they believe borders are just arbitrary lines on a map. People around the world are fundamentally the same, we are told. Well, what makes Afghanistan so different then??
You seem to admit government is powerless to solve the problem, and those people are just destined for anarchy, poverty, and totalitarian Islamic rule.

Yet magically you think if we just move them somewhere else the problem will just abate and suddenly government will be able to solve all their problems?

Your position is ridiculous. It's like you think there's something magical about the soil and the air in Afghanistan that makes your political beliefs and policies unable to work there.

Of course you will refuse to think about this. You don't have an answer.

 

LOL. Well, there really isn't any debate about how badly Biden left Afghanistan.

 

FREEDOM OF THOUGHT

Indoctrinated. Well, we all learn what we are taught. I'm not sure that is "indoctrination" - and I'm not sure either that it isn't.

We have to decide that question individually as we go through life ...

In a way, that's goodness.

Unlike Europe, the US does not have ten-tons of history on its shoulders that prohibits countries from trying new economic vectors. Why must something "new" in Europe always come from the US. Not even China, with all its economic might has any New Idea just waiting to install itself.

Uncle-Sam's land is not like that at all. It is free for anyone to do any thing they may want to do (as long as its "legal" and "honest"). It's the market (people buying and not buying) that will decide the outcome.

I'm not sure there is any better definition of either "liberty" or "freedom of thought" than that ...

 

Rationalizing it doesn't make it any less horrific. A person can simultaneously love their country, the USA, and not lie about what we've done in other people's countries. It's like the illegal immigrant situation. We go messing with their country and then some whine about all these people seeking asylum.

I'm an American and I love my country. I am loyal to my country, but I'm not blinded but what they've done or what they do. That's a form of cognitive distortion called "all of nothing" thinking. Nobody and nothing is ALL good or ALL bad. And, to ask if someone is a terrorists because he can speak the truth about our military actions is not only wrong, it's inappropriate.

 

I guess that cowardly sneak attack bombing of peaceful Pear Harbor without a declaration of war didn't work out so well.

Two birds with one stone. Sounds good to me

They aren't claiming anything different than we did when Japan surrendered.

Trying to equate German concentration camps to the interment camps in the US is idiotic. Not even in the same ball park. Putting US citizens in interment camps was stupid. Not a Nazi death camps. Exaggerations like that diminish your point.

Point is, don't start nothin, Won't be nothing. Murdering American boys and civilians in their sleep on a Sunday morning gets you a ring side seat to American resolve. So the Japanese people have no one to blame but their own government. When Japanese forces captured Nanjing the capital of the Chinese Nationalist Party, they proceeded to carry out six weeks of mass killings and rapes now infamous as the Nanjing Massacre.

The US began passing economic sanctions against Japan, including trade embargoes on aircraft exports, oil and scrap metal, among other key goods. In September 1940, Japan signed the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy, the two fascist regimes then at war with the Allies.

And I am supposed to shed a tear over Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Not from my eyes. And as far as I am concerned, we would be doing the world a favor by turning Afghanistan and Pakistan into glass as well.

 

LOOK INTO THE MIRROR TO SEE WHO IS BLAMEWORTHY FOR BAD GOVERNANCE

Not bad for a "cop-out". All you have done is elect "representatives" to legislatures. If we trully loved our country we should want to be more involved in how it is run. Rather than just spectating by means of the nightly-news.

Let's leave the "love" bit out, because it is irrelevant. You are a tax-payer as well as a voter - which makes us-the-voters "collectively responsible" for the way the country is run.

You cannot blame LaLaLand-on-the-Potomac if it does not do what you think it should do. We-the-sheeple voted these people into office and, having done so, we just don't walk away with the thought "OK, now let's see what they do!" That's too easy. We should INFLUENCE what they do!

Nonetheless, spectating is what most of us voters do looking languidly at the nightly-news to see what the components of government are up to. But not being concerned! (Which is why a PotUS can waltz into Afghanistan with his army and start a 20-year war that costs 2500 American lives. And nobody asks questions before it happens!)

We feel absolutely NOT RESPONSIBLE for that consequence. Blame that PotUS!

Too easy! Far too easy to put the blame failure on someone else! Because by voting, we-the-sheeple, are also responsible for what happens in DC. That is, the laws that are passed by Congress, and the manner in which the PotUS conducts his/her duties.

But, who put them there? We, the sheeple did! And we should not just walk away from that responsibility and exercise it only at elections!

In any democracy the further away from the operation of governance a people remain the less they are able to influence it. And, indeed, we should have opinions regarding what is happening and we should voice those opinions. And were that to happen, both houses of Congress would be very careful of the content of laws they pass ...

PS: Here's a recent account from the WashPo - Opinion: The U.S. government is designed for failure. And, a new study shows, it’s getting worse.

 

What Ridiculous & Servile Absurdity is This !?
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What a filthy F'k of a way to bring people Civilization !
& WHO is it that calls it Nobel ? People of Good Will
....................................................... Spit On such Nobility

So Become Aware

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& Be Informed

The Great Game of Smashing Nations
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/56741.htm

 

Yup - those that drink down the kool-aid share responsibility for this mess - voting on the basis that they are actually making a difference to the Status quo with respect to the political and economic instruments of opression.

The adage "Voting for a third party is throwing away vote" we have heard in defence of this practice - but aside from the somewhat fallacious aspect of that argument .. Voting Red or Blue is also "throwing away vote" - in fact its worse than that .. not voting would be better than voting to support the status quo - which is what one is doing voting Red/Blue 90% of the time. ... and the other 10% are not going to make that change simply due to numbers - as it is not what Red/Blue disagree on - where the devil is found .. the devil is not found in the hot button issues "Abortion - Gay Marriage- Guns- Immigration" and so on.

The Devil is found where they agree - and so the majority takes the day - its how the system is structured.

Example - "Should we arm and support Al Qaeda - ISIS" ? 90% voted Yes on this question by rejecting the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" -Tabled by Tulsi Gabbard in 2017 - with 13 Bipartisan Cosponsors - go figure and somewhat timely given today is 911.

When Rand Paul introduced the Bill into the Senate - the number of Cosponsors was a grand total of "Zero"

And now you have found the Devil.

 

THE HARD FACTS IN DEATH-NUMBERS

He got Uncle Sam's ass OUT OF THE COUNTRY where a Replicant PotUS 20-years ago invaded for no good reason whatsoever.

Biden got the Army out of a desperate situation that could not be won. We could not and did not subdue the Taliban.

Now, maybe YOU WOULD HAVE LIKED TO CONTRIBUTE YOUR SON/DAUGHTER TO THE EFFORT TO "FREE AFGHANISTAN" but most certainly not me!

2400 Army-deaths over 20-years was enough! More than enough! Far too much!

Total Human Costs listing, from here:

Close to a hundred-thousand killed! Is that enough deaths for you .... !?!

 

Yes they did, you're lying to yourself pal

No, that is a sign of democracy, the fact that a leader you dislike is elected does not mean democracy is flawed.

 

Tragically I fear this means the West will not be prepared to intervene overseas for a generation, if we have another Somali famine or Rwandan genocide we will do nothing.

 

Of course it doesn't. But, you would not know "democracy" if it bit you on the nose! (And I'll bet you had a Civics-class that lasted two-weeks!)

Stop with the child's play or you go on Ignore - there's a mountain of Right-wingers already there waiting for you ...

 

DUMB IS AS DUMB DOES

For the moment there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER FOR UNCLE SAM TO "INTERVENE" ANYWHERE!

There is PLENTY that needs fixing in the US. The developed world is in a major economic-shift as Manufacturing has left both the US and Europe to go to China (or some such place).

And it would be nice to take that bundle of DoD-funding to use it on sending out kids into a post-secondary education which is so damn necessary for their future jobs and thus family-lives!

Instead of getting them killed in some faraway war for no good reason whatsoever ... !

 

You left out some details but it doesn't matter because ..... you're right anyway.

 

POST SCRIPTUM

We'd do better with that DoD Mountain-of-Money by employing it to improve both pre- and post-secondary education in the US.

We must get our kids prepared for this Brave New World of ours where Basic-Manufacturing has fled to cheaper countries. And this means our kids must be learning the skills that only a post-secondary education can offer them.

Which is why it is key that a Post-secondary Education be FREE, GRATIS AND FOR NOTHING!

Wakey, wakey, America .... !

 

Huh? That was no "Afghan" government any more than the Shah was the Iranian government or Nguyen Van Thieu being the president of South Vietnam. All three were American puppet regimes.

What "deal"? The one that the US concocted and gave the Afghanis the choice to agree "or else"? That's no deal. It's like beating the crap out of you and destroying your life than saying "If you promise not to tell anyone I won't kill you".

 

I am so amazed, and saddened, that civilians (and you are OBVIOUSLY a civilian) think you have the expertise to draw conclusions about things military. Would you advise your doctor what operation to perform? Tell astronauts when and what they should do?... I remain amazed at the eegotism of some civilians.

 

Okay... lots of whining and complaining there... do you have any SOLUTIONS? And I don't mean vague, unfocused, worthless things like "get people closer to the operation of government". I mean EXACTLY HOW WOULD YOU DO THIS? EXACTLY HOW?

 

From the Shah of Iran to Vietnam to Afghanistan to South and Central America, virtually every puppet government set up by the US has failed.

 

Afghanistan already has civilization and has for several thousands of years.

 

LOL. Well, there really isn't any debate about how badly Biden left Afghanistan.

 

It could always have been worse just like it could always have been better, if only you were in charge, right?