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  1. ToddWB

    ToddWB Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gun control definetly works! Just ask Nazi Germany, Stalinist USSR, China, N Korea, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Mexico, New Zealand and Australia! (and any other state that does not trust it's subjects with the means to defend themselves)

    OH.. yeah.. most of thsoe people where murdered or left to die by those regimes.
    So, tho' I do not like the numbers murdered, whether by a gun or the other 98% of the means they are murdered by, I consider it a smal price to pay for not being killed by the millions.. I've made this point before.. yet you gun haters ignore it. (or perhaps you favor the genocide of unarmed masses?
     
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    Whenever a nation disarms its people crime soars.
    Gun Control Kills.

    “THE number of crimes involving handguns reached its highest level for seven years in 2000…
    The total was more than a third up on the previous year, according to figures given in a parliamentary
    written answer by Lord Bassam of Brighton, a Home Office minister.”
    THE TELEGRAPH, Handgun crime soars despite Dunblane ban, By Thomas Harding,11/01/01.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1314245/Handgun-crime-soars-despite-Dunblane-ban.html

    When will they ever learn?
     
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    They don't want to admit that the majority of the gun crime is committed by a small percentage ,, uh ,, the 13% i believe it is
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm, could it be because..."By the end of 1997, Parliament had banned private ownership of most handguns, building on measures passed following the Hungerford killings, including a semi-automatic weapons ban and mandatory registration for shotgun owners." There are a lot of registered shotguns. And it's really the illegal handguns that are the problem and any urban teen can get one in the US.
    Theory? I think 250,000 guns a year, just to Mexico, demonstrates the ease of obtaining illegal firearms but it will never be demonstrated to you that this is an issue that needs to be addressed by placing additional unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the rights of the law abiding.....so you wish to do nothing about it....besides buying more weapons of course because the bad guys have them.

    I guess it's a matter of interpretation isn't it.

    Violent gun crime spikes in poor packed urban areas whose population has easy access to guns. Chicago the poster child of the right for urban violence had a homicide rate in '18 of 20/100k, but St.Louis MO had 61/100k homicides and Gary IN had 53/100k dwarfing Chicago's numbers. Without stricter national gun laws, laws that vary state to state will never work as demonstrated by our current situation.
     
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    13% of 325 million people is 42.5 million. Are there 42.5 million gun crimes every year?
     
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    Poor packed areas? That’s vague. Maybe you can name the area for me. Because I would argue it’s a cultural issue not a money issue. We can look at violent crime rate and I’m sure that also is also high in high gun crime areas. The culture of violence is not gun related.
     
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    "Could be"?
    It "could be" any number other things.
    But thank you for making it clear you do not have a definitive answer as to why the US gun violence rate is higher.
    As such, your inclusion of that fact is meaningless, and does nothing to support any point you try to make with it.
    ... in Mexico?
    So what?
    You haven't demonstrated that this is an issue that needs to be addressed by placing additional unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the rights of the law abiding
     
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    A perfect argument supporting the abolition of all gun control laws.
     
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    The Well Documented Inconvenient Truth:
    Crime, including gun crime accelerates after gun bans.

    THE GUARDIAN, Rise in recorded crime is accelerating in England and Wales, Police figures show offences up 14% in a year, with knife and gun crime rising even more steeply, Alan Travis Home affairs editor, Thu 25 Jan 2018.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

    There was far less crime in the UK when its people were armed and its police were not.

    Gun Control Laws Kill
     
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    Which is the goal of the anti-gunners.
     
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    I was trying to say in the nicest way possible that urban blacks are responsible for an unproportional to their percentage in the general population of the percentage of gun crime and murder.
     
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    You were indicting 42 million innocent people for the actions of 500k. I truly hate the 13% claim.
     
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    No, I wasn't.

    I could; they have some responsibility to illuminate the bad behavior of the 13% of the total population, much as we do towards Democrats.
     
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    Yes, authoritarian governments are a far greater threat to human life than either war or violent criminals.
     
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    Urban criminals black and white are the carefully cultivated product of the systemic institutional racism embraced by the corrupt DP controlled governments of our urban hell holes.

    A quick cure would be Constitutional carry. The COTUS is the solution for most modern era problems. More Guns = Less Crime.
     
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