Michael Brown Shooting: This is intresting

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168...tail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

 

Thanks. Besides evidence that Brown was coming after Wilson, it's also evidence of Wilson's lack of training and/or coolness under pressure.

#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

 

Keeping in mind that the officer had (reportedly) been struck in the face and he may have been shooting with his "off eye", I'd say he did good for a cop.

Plus the fact that not all people collapse when shot, so guessing that the officer was missing Brown just because Brown kept advancing doesn't mean those shots missed. Sometimes perps survive multiple gun shot wounds, look at 50 cent. How many 9mm rounds did he take and live? How many in the face?

 

But the thing is we don't know if he was truly surrendering. If he was then I could agree with your opinion, but until actual facts come out I'm not gonna say it was one way or another.

Just speaking on human nature in general really.

 

Yeah right keep on trying

 

Comparing Officer Wilson to the gang banger who shot 50 Cent isn't a compliment. A 9mm through the sternum slows down most perps to a complete stop.

Again, without facts, we can't judge whether Wilson was shooting with a "bad eye" or not. Has his medical report been released yet? Was he a left or right-handed shooter?

This autopsy photo is probably accurate, but I'd also be willing for it to pass the test of court evidence before accepting it as accurate:

 

well, before I use it as proof the cop lied, I want verification it wasn't faked, first.


It seems staged....

From the link....
"The video shows an officer putting up crime scene tape -- a sign, Bruntrager says, that it could have been made "well after the shooting."


well after emotions are setting in, shock, hearing what the friend was saying Brown did.....


a video made 15 minutes later is not reaction, its rehersal.

 

It was not my intention to compliment the officer. I said he did pretty good for a cop. I know several cops who open brag about never practicing with their firearm. They think that it's pretty funny that the only time they ever shoot is when qualifying annually.

From the shot placement on Brown's body, I'd say the officer had too much finger on the trigger and pulled the firearm to the left when pulling the trigger. Without knowing the extent of his injuries (if any) it's hard to say how well he did. But the fact he hit Brown with most (or all?) his shots, is pretty good, for a cop.

 

however, the cop had a previous dubious record before landing on the Brown case..........jes sayin'

 

Third party and the shooting was over.

 

No the first contemporaneous witness who did not give his statement to reporters but was unwittingly caught on the audio of someone else's video as he spoke to a friend. That is what makes his spontaneous statement so powerful along with the detail in it.

 

Not spontaneous contemporaneous accounts unwittingly given. That perfectly corroborate the officers version of events as given by the family friend. Each given without knowledge of the other, the former given without the influence of subsequent events or public narrative as in the video of the two city workers which doesn't tell us much. HIS statement to the reporters was given WEEKS after the event after the riots after the public narrative had been created. It is reported he did give a statement to police and that will be interesting. What makes me dubious his statement there was 30 seconds between the first shot and the remaining shots and that he was 50ft away. It is quite clear in the video he is about 100 yards, as has also been reported away. He says Brown was trying to give up and had his hands raised to do so, that he drawing a conclusion he cannot make certainly not from that distance. How do you tell arms being raised in defense from hands being raised in surrender? They could be easily confused at that distance. If this man is ever put on the stand in a trial and the he starts to say that Brown was surrendering the defense will immediately object saying the witness is drawing a conclusion and it will be unheld IMO. All he can do is describe that his arms were up.

Imagine and this is pure speculation, that you are running at someone with your arms raised in front of you or pumping as you run and you get hit in the shoulder. Is it hard to imagine your arms might go up more as you are knock back by the shot? I think that is a reasonable possibility. Would that look like someone surrendering, quite possibly. I can also imagine the defense putting up a forensic investigator who will say that. Reasonable doubt.

 

It's nothing of the sort in fact it may have shown that his training is what saved him that day.

#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing[/QUOTE]

Well let's post the whole thing and the officer's statement through the family friend, both given without knowledge of the other.

An approximate transcription of the background conversation, as related by the “Conservative Treehouse” blog, who originally discovered the conversation:
@6:28/6:29 of video
#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
[there is dispute here whether he says "doubled back" or "coming back."]
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

This is terribly important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he advanced towards the cop instead of surrendering, it would substantiate the narrative that the policeman shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm. This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson:

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168...tail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

 

Some good points about the shooting. As for the hits, that depends on the range. What little we know still seems to indicate a lack of training and/or panic on his part. That's not a reflection on Officer Wilson as much as it is one on the Ferguson Police Department.

 

Can you say "Oooops!" Here is the credibility of that witness busted by his own attorney, who inadvertently revealed that his own client has already lied by what the 'witness' own recording captured in the background:

So the 'witness' lied. He did not in fact film anything seconds after the shooting since in the background one can clearly see a police officer cordoning off the area with police tape. Damn!

That aside, just why does a witness need . . . an attorney?

 

I would love to see the link

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Well let's post the whole thing and the officer's statement through the family friend, both given without knowledge of the other.

An approximate transcription of the background conversation, as related by the “Conservative Treehouse” blog, who originally discovered the conversation:
@6:28/6:29 of video
#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
[there is dispute here whether he says "doubled back" or "coming back."]
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him&#8221

This is terribly important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he advanced towards the cop instead of surrendering, it would substantiate the narrative that the policeman shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm. This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson:

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168...tail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/[/QUOTE]

His training saved him ??? he was the only one with a damn gun. I love how you defend a white murderer

 

In true CNN fashion they're are trying to rewrite the story. The video was
reported as if it just happened. Not a word containing what has been found
as true was reported.

Randi Kaye is a cutie!

 

Holy crud! It was in the link you provided! Didn't you even read the darn thing? Wow!

 

thanks... I am seeing that now more.


I'm still not sold on it. AC360 presented it in a cut-up, replay way, and not the entire thing. I don't trust media after Zimmerman 100% because it was shown that 911 transcripts were diced and restitched in an order that made it fit the agenda better


I'm nevous this is the same agenda pushing. and a diced up video in the link doesn't instill confidence.


is the raw video anywhere for people to see?

 

And of course if the target is moving.

It indicates nothing of the sort. If he had panic he would have run off not stood there to face the attacking suspect.

 

Yes, from the 290lb assailant he was charged with apprehending who was bumrushing him. Your having to throw the race card only proving you have nothing to support your claims.

 

You are3 the one defending a guy with a gun with now proof other than the cops word. When there is 10 plus witnesses vidoe on the other side that say different.

 

an unverified, doctored video that hasn't been presented to us uncut is not "proof" to convict. Burden is on YOUR side to prove it. Reaction videos that doesn't even show the event are not proof. It's mob mentality being recorded.