Michael Brown Shooting: This is intresting

I do not know the law on that matter. Besides making very big holes in the target, ensuring a kill, HP's also have the virtue of destroying themselves on impact thereby being less likely to keep flying through the neighborhood. Excellent for home defense for both those reasons. Better in revolvers, but depending on the type, possibly causing jams in semi-auto pistols.

 

That would be a reasonable reason.

 

That's because you're convinced he was surrendering.

I've yet to see even a semi-reputable source that he was surrendering.

 

Like the number of shots actually fired and the actual injuries suffered by Officer Wilson, all that remains to be proven.

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing this even go to court so the evidence will be revealed and the incident settled.

 

Settled like the Zim/Tray thing?

lol

One would think a verdict would settle things. In the minds of liberals, nope! Regardless of whether the cop is found 100% innocent, goofballs will still be spewing about it years from now.

 

You mean like the dumbasses that think georgiepoo is some sort of misunderstood hero? Yanno...the loser with a violent past...then violent future? The loser that likes to hit women and molest little girls? That zim guy?

Yah. Yall can pick 'em.

 

Zimmerman was exonerated of wrong doing in court just like OJ. How others feel about that is their problem.

 

Kind of like rightwing racist still label OJ Simpson a murderer, even though, he was exonerated in a court of law. So I guess you pick your poison.

 

I don't know what rightwing and/or race has to do with it, but yes, I think it's likely he (or Jason) did it. That said, people don't spend hours and waste incredible amounts of bandwidth talking about OJ. It's rare he's mentioned and then, usually off topic.

 

Now they don't talk about him because he is locked up in prison. During the time of his trial and up to 4 yrs afterwards there was plenty of talk about him.

 

Nah. The internet for the public barely existed back then, and forums as we now know them weren't happening. People got over the OJ trial quickly and simply moved on.

About the only time he's mentioned now is in comparison to something else. And it's OJ supporters who toss his name into the ring.

 

You're claiming the difference YOU tell us what it is other than the number of years they have on this earth.

No that would be you and noted your dancing now

Once again your assertion is the person who weights more is in control and has the advantage, why are you suddenly changing your tune?

 

No need to repost your attempt to move the goal post noted.

Let's review

Quote Originally Posted by Wake_Up View Post
Wait, wasn't the "no prior criminal record" thing a little game the media played? Wasn't there some discussion that this criminal record was as an adult, Brown only having turned 18 three months prior...what about his juvenile record?

But, seriously, does Brown have a record (adult or juvenile), or not?

You >>

So before you start calling others stupid make sure you know of what you speak. Juvenile records are SEALED, PERIOD.

I know and am not your go fetch dog, if you want to remain ignorant of the publicly produced evidence that is your choice, your opinions will be weighed accordingly.

 

As a martial artist I was once nearly dropped to the floor in a sparring match by a teenager of sixteen who had about six inches of height over me, and at the time I around thirty with at least twenty pounds worth of advantage over the youngster. But had it been a real fight and had he taken adrenaline fueled advantage of the situation he could easily have taken me out then and there. So it's all situational. Sometimes height makes the difference, sometimes it's weight. Sometimes it's experience. Sometimes it's pure accident. Each fight situation is unique.

 

If the person you are trying to apprehend is a fleeing felon who has demonstrated violence and attempts to harm others and that felon has just now attacked you and is now rushing back at you after being told to freeze yes he should have been trying to stop him even lethally. And yes the Brown defenders are attempting to impugn him merely because of the number of shots fired.

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The first contemporaneous witness caught on the cell phone video. THE most reputable account we have. Which corroborates the statement of the officer made through the family friend.

 

The key to this will be if Brown did actually turn back to rush the officer after they separated the first time after the life or death struggle inside the cab of the officer's vehicle -- where and when the first round was fired. If Brown did turn back to attack the officer then it was a righteous shooting. If not then the officer is toast and will be going to prison.

 

No goal post was moved. You declared, out of the blue, that juvenile records are sealed. No one said they weren't and no one disregards the obvious. What I said was there were other means to find information on Brown's conduct and behavior. You completely disregarded that comment in an attempt to get back on your high horse. I have no idea why you are so invested in this, but it's a curiosity.

 

Made days after the incident to the press getting thier face time on national TV, after the pubic narrative had already been created. And they have questionable embellishments for instance one of the young girls on the one hand says she heard Brown surrendering then on the other hand when asked if she heard the police office say freeze she says she couldn't hear anything. The whole interview being given along with her friends statement and their lawyer there. Witnesses corroborating their statements days after the fact with an attorney coaching them after the neighborhood has made it clear the ONLY acceptable story is the Brown was surrendering have questions of credibility.

Did they give separate statements to police immediately after the incident? Were their stories vetted by trained interrogators? Those would be the ones of interest.

There is a whole thread on but it is curious that when you search for it you get all kinds of hits on the more recent recording and this was hardly reported by the MSM, as usual FOX is about the only source that reported it nationally.

A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer

"previously unnoticed detail in a background conversion of a video taken minutes after the Ferguson shooting could change the course of the investigation into Mike Brown’s death.
The original video poster appears sympathetic to the narrative that Mike Brown was shot unarmed with his hands in the air. But he unknowingly picks up conversation between a man who saw the altercation and another neighbor.
An approximate transcription of the background conversation, as related by the “Conservative Treehouse” blog, who originally discovered the conversation:
@6:28/6:29 of video
#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
[there is dispute here whether he says "doubled back" or "coming back."]
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him&#8221

This is terribly important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he advanced towards the cop instead of surrendering, it would substantiate the narrative that the policeman shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm.

This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson:
Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

It’s far too unlikely that these two accounts are similar accidentally, having been from such disparate sources. The apparent witness in the background conversation is speaking with detail about the tragic shooting, and in a manner that runs contrary to the widespread version. Those who watch the video need to judge for themselves if the witness sounds reliable (but he would seemingly have nothing to gain by telling such a story.)
A third piece of the puzzle would be the toxicology report. If there happens to be anything found that might explain how Mike Brown might have been shot and kept advancing toward the officer, then the defense becomes even more believable. Unless someone is emotionally invested in an alternative narrative to the extent that one might ignore plain facts."
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168...tail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

Remember the details related by the second witness recorded at the scene came weeks later,after other witness statements were made public and the public narrative had been created, and are questionable because of the the time gap he claims between shots and then his embellishments about Brown WAS surrendering because his hands went up, that is drawing a conclusion he cannot make and would be objected to in court, he could have been raising his hands in front of his face to block the shots being fired at him, and then he says he was only 50ft away when if you look at the video he is much further away and probably out of hearing distance.

The guy in this tape has no idea he is being recorded or that what he was saying would ever be made public, he was talking to a friend with no public narrative having already been created or public pressure to impugn to the police officer and no reason to lie about it. Then the fact if completely corroborates the statement of the officer, both statements given without prior knowledge of the other.

AND if you throw out the CONCLUSIONS the other witnesses are stating there is not that much difference between the statements other than some claim Brown was shot in the back and there is no evidence of that. AND Wilson had the authority to shoot at Brown as he was fleeing which would have hit him in the back, that would have been a justifiable shooting under Missouri law, he was a fleeing felon who had just committed TWO acts of violence. It is the duty of the officer which we citizens charge him with to stop such criminals so they can do no harm to someone else.

 

Oh stop being obtuse, the discussion was about criminal RECORDS and nothing else in spite of you attempt to move your goal post and your claims that a smart news source would be able to get those records. Those RECORDS are sealed.

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AHH he was hit from the front an even the several accounts given later after the fact indicate he was closing the distance, one guy claiming to within 7-10 ft. AND the officer had the authority to shoot him as he was fleeing in order to stop him. So even if he was hit in the back as he was fleeing that would be a lawful shooting and the officer did his duty to stop the violent felling felon.

 

The fact you've resorted to insults shows you've run out of intellectual ammunition. Have good day, sir.