More Obamacare TRUTH

I am sure that made sense to you.

 

Lets remember when the CBO speaks to "health care costs" they are speaking specifically to "medicare costs" as the Federal government contributed nothing to the cost of Group health insurance or individual/family private insurance. The reason Medicare costs were rising was due to l. more people qualifying for Medicare #2 mis-management of the Medicare Program(administrative costs far higher than those of Private Health Insurance Companies). Providers(physicians, hospitals, clinics, home health care, equipment companies, labs) had nothing to do with increasing Medicare costs.
I worked as a high ranking administrator for two of the biggest V.A. Hospitals, worked for private Hospitals and consulted for Nursing Homes and managed my husbands private medical/surgical practices. CBO, barely even addressed the cost of group health insurance and private insurance when scoring the cost of PPACA. Prior to passage of "Obama care" the CBO's Director Report that followed the official scoring that supported the Presidents claim and the Dems claim that it was deficit neutral, wouldn't raise the debt; said that these findings were based on all things the President and Dems asked to be scored, remained the same(nothing changed). That didn't happen and updated data by the CBO showed the cost to be higher than reported prior to PPACA passage. Who couldn't see that coming? They would have done anything to pass this Act and apparently have no desire to change the problems within the ACT even though they alluded that they would tweek the PPACA after it passed and they discovered "what was in it". The lied, they ignored the millions of tax payers that disagreed with it as written. Ignored the Republican members of Congress. And, now, we are left with this huge discriminatory mess that will cause taxpayers far more than we were spending to pay for uninsured emergency room visits. The uninsurable, those with "costly" pre-existing" conditions should have been covered by an expansion of Medicare so they could be pooled together. They should have paid a premium based on the cost of insuring the "pool".

 

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So you were part of the VA problem. Guess that qualifies you as a guru on health care!

 

Better than not having a clue.

30 million will remain uninsured.
The cost will now be more than double original estimations and I will bet that price tag will go higher as all entitlements do.
Taxes are now more of a nightmare and the WH is scrambling giving more exemptions cause the dems may look even worse.
The Health Care system will now be more complicated.

Why do something worse?

 

I could not think of a more appropriate place to post this:

[video=youtube;4U1ShwjleSE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4U1ShwjleSE[/video]

 

What is your source for the thirty million will remain uninsured number? And nothing could be worse than the pre ACA system unless it could possibly be the Republican alternative if they ever manage to come up with one.

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I can certainly agree with the first half of your statement!

 

Single payer? LOL, just keep this in mind.

IRS Chief: "We Still Have Applications That Were Running When JFK Was President"

 

Fo卐 network liars try to contrive an anti-ACA news farce but are caught again:



http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...-obamacare-goes-terribly-wrong-network-video/


Since the law’s passage, Republicans have done just about everything they possibly can to overload Americans with misinformation so that they really don’t know what is or isn’t real. There have been fear-mongering campaigns that have included everything from death panels, to a government takeover of our health care system, to claims that the law will decrease the average American’s life expectancy. Their anti-Obamacare rhetoric has ranged from comical at times to flat-out absurd. So it should come as no surprise that Fox News has been a leading culprit pushing Obamacare misinformation, often setting up interviews with supposed “victims” of the law to continue to perpetuate the myth that it’s doing more harm than good… even though it’s not. Take for instance an interview Tucker Carlson just conducted with a Colorado man named Steven Roussel to discuss an issue with the state’s website that mistakenly caused around 3,600 residents to lose their health plans. Though it should be pointed out that the plans that were cancelled were being retroactively fixed to cover residents from January 1 and the state has said they’re fixing the issue. And while this interview was clearly meant to bash the Affordable Care Act, almost immediately it did not go how the conservative entertainment channel had hoped. “So, before I ask you what happened next, can you just give us a little background here?” Carlson asked. “Were you happy or dissatisfied with your healthcare before Obamacare?” “Well, I didn’t have any healthcare before the Affordable Healthcare Act went in,” Roussel explained. “And it was because of that, that I was actually able to afford it. However, this year with the premiums jumping up, I have to make a little bit more of a tighter budget to figure out how to pay for the extra premiums that are coming my way.” I wanted to highlight that part for the sheer irony of it all. Here we have a prominent Fox News host trying to set this guy up to bash the Affordable Care Act and the first thing he does is admit he didn’t have health insurance before and could only afford it after the law had been passed. “So, you were the guy they passed Obamacare for,” Carlson said. “You had your policy canceled, you were signed up for something you didn’t want, you had never heard of, never asked for.” What you just saw there, that’s called a conservative news host realizing that the entire point of the interview is now basically garbage (to have an American on the networking bashing how terrible the law is) because the guy just admitted that he’s one of the millions of Americans who’s actually benefitting from the law despite the glitches. And then it got worse for Fox News after Carlson once again tried to set him to bash the health care law.





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Caught yet again because they are a bunch of liars.


And that' the TRUTH.

 

Dis you post your documentation for your thirty million uninsured number or are you just trying to change the discussion.

 

No it is not a real business, it is government subsidised entity. Health care business cannot survive without government assistance.
Why should we fool ourselves, medicare and medicaid for everyone is an answer.

 

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43900-2013-05-ACA.pdf

 

The price tag has been dropping almost since the law passed. CBO itself frequently points this out.

 

I hope you realize that the CBO has projected this, most recently, to cost just shy of 2 trillion when it was sold as costing only 900 billion.

 

If you bothered to actually read your chart you would know that the thirty million includes uninsured Illegal immigrants. Are you actually advocating the government change the law to insure those people. It also includes those eligable for Medicade who fail to bother to enroll.

 

Documentation of the 900 billion please!

 

You will also notice that these are projections, not fact. Much like the false projections on cost don't expect the pie in the sky government to be right on this one.

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You don't remember how this was sold? The figure was kept under a trillion, sometimes by double dipping, or it would not fly.

 

So you can't actually document your source! I want to know just what you think were the details and time span of your 900 trillion.

 

900 billion, less than a trillion. If you have not kept up with this and profess ignorance, why post about it.

 

Here is the Fact Check information on this false Fox News claim. And we use "News" with some trepidation.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/03/health-care-costs-didnt-double/

 

Nothing like cherry picking a date to make your point. How about how it was sold before the CBO estimate of 2010?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-as-estimated/2012/03/26/gIQACSZncS_blog.html

 

Obamacare enrollments hit 10 million, with more than a week left for signing up



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...ion-with-more-than-a-week-left-for-signing-up


The Wall Street Journal reports the news that Obamacare enrollments have nearly hit the 10 million mark.
There were 7.5 million people who have signed up through the federal exchange, Sylvia Mathews Burwell, secretary of Health and Human Services, said at a Senate hearing. Another 2.4 million people have come in through state-run exchanges, she said.
The sign-ups indicate the second enrollment under the ACA, which runs through Feb. 15, is on track to meet the Obama administration’s goal of having 9.1 million to 9.9 million people with coverage through the insurance exchanges by the end of 2015. Some people who have coverage now aren’t expected to keep it through the end of the year, and others are expected to sign up later.

If you regularly check ACASignups, you already knew that, and in fact that enrollments have topped 10 million, at 10,075,140.
The CBO has estimated that enrollments will hit 13 million this year. That is an aggressive goal, higher than the administration estimated, but it's not unrealistic in light of the rush of last minute sign-ups that we saw last year.





AMERICA WINS WITH ACA!

 

10 million? That's not a very high number for a MANDATORY law.

You'd think it'd be closer to 300 million.

 

MAybe you should actually read the whole article. Even your cherry picked source gives your two trillion figure two Pinocchios. You might as well give up when even your own source disagrees with you.

 

LOL, you think the CBO estimate after it was passed is the same thing as what it was sold Congress and the public. Remember, you had to read it before you would know what was in it. Don't you fret, it will get there.

 

It was "sold" as costing $940 billion over the 2010-2019 period. In reality, combining the actual data we have now and the CBO's revised projections based on that data, it looks like it will actually cost less than $800 billion over that period. Year-over-year costs for the ACA have been declining almost since it passed, which is what that helpful graphic from CBO shows. For instance, in FY14 the exchange subsidies ended up costing 25% less than we were "sold" back in 2010.

Meanwhile, the promised Medicare savings to offset some of that new spending is turning out to be much larger than promised--nearly enough to pay for the entirety of that new spending by itself, even before the law's new revenues are applied.