Myanmar ethnic cleansing half a million Muslim.. why is everybody quiet ??

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  1. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    If that were true I would completely agree with you.

    But you have sat back and attacked anyone who didn't jump up on your soap box and preach word for word. You seem to be a prime example of how violent rhetoric is the new norm. When you speak like you are speaking here, all you are going to get is people who are defensive.

    Then you call them racist for being offensive, instead of just completely capitulating to your attacks.

    It is pretty basis psychology.

    Why do you not go to Left forums? I do.

    I think it is important to go and try to get as much information as possible, heck I would even visit StormFront from time to time before.

    But your message and the way it comes across looks identical to those Left Wing forums as well as Reddit which is about as Left Wing as you can get.
     
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    When you learn to read what I have actually written rather than what you think I have written we might have the basis for a discussion. You might start by going back through the discussions I was involved in on this thread and the nature of the posts that responded to my initial post and subsequent posts. At the moment you are just wildly flaying at a straw man.

    Until I have some confidence that you can take off your blinkers and talk based on what is, rather than what is imagined, then there isn't a lot of point carrying on with this.
     
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    Uhoh, more personal attacks, this is my surprised face
     
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    Maybe you just can't read that many words all at once
    (from your very own link):


    Luke 19
    New Living Translation
    Jesus and Zacchaeus

    1Jesus entered Jericho and made his way through the town. 2There was a man there named Zacchaeus. He was the chief tax collector in the region, and he had become very rich. 3He tried to get a look at Jesus, but he was too short to see over the crowd. 4So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree beside the road, for Jesus was going to pass that way.

    5When Jesus came by, he looked up at Zacchaeus and called him by name. “Zacchaeus!” he said. “Quick, come down! I must be a guest in your home today.”

    6Zacchaeus quickly climbed down and took Jesus to his house in great excitement and joy. 7But the people were displeased. “He has gone to be the guest of a notorious sinner,” they grumbled.

    8Meanwhile, Zacchaeus stood before the Lord and said, “I will give half my wealth to the poor, Lord, and if I have cheated people on their taxes, I will give them back four times as much!”

    9Jesus responded, “Salvation has come to this home today, for this man has shown himself to be a true son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Mana came to seek and save those who are lost.”

    Parable of the Ten Servants

    11The crowd was listening to everything Jesus said. And because he was nearing Jerusalem, he told them a story to correct the impression that the Kingdom of God would begin right away. 12He said, “A nobleman was called away to a distant empire to be crowned king and then return. 13Before he left, he called together ten of his servants and divided among them ten pounds of silver,b saying, ‘Invest this for me while I am gone.’ 14But his people hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We do not want him to be our king.’

    15“After he was crowned king, he returned and called in the servants to whom he had given the money. He wanted to find out what their profits were.16The first servant reported, ‘Master, I invested your money and made ten times the original amount!’

    17“‘Well done!’ the king exclaimed. ‘You are a good servant. You have been faithful with the little I entrusted to you, so you will be governor of ten cities as your reward.’

    18“The next servant reported, ‘Master, I invested your money and made five times the original amount.’

    19“‘Well done!’ the king said. ‘You will be governor over five cities.’

    20“But the third servant brought back only the original amount of money and said, ‘Master, I hid your money and kept it safe. 21I was afraid because you are a hard man to deal with, taking what isn’t yours and harvesting crops you didn’t plant.’

    22“‘You wicked servant!’ the king roared. ‘Your own words condemn you. If you knew that I’m a hard man who takes what isn’t mine and harvests crops I didn’t plant, 23why didn’t you deposit my money in the bank? At least I could have gotten some interest on it.’

    24“Then, turning to the others standing nearby, the king ordered, ‘Take the money from this servant, and give it to the one who has ten pounds.’

    25“‘But, master,’ they said, ‘he already has ten pounds!’

    26“‘Yes,’ the king replied, ‘and to those who use well what they are given, even more will be given. But from those who do nothing, even what little they have will be taken away. 27And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king—bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.’”


    Jesus’ Triumphant Entry

    28After telling this story, Jesus went on toward Jerusalem, walking ahead of his disciples.
    29As he came to the towns of Bethphage and Bethany on the Mount of Olives, he sent two disciples ahead. 30“Go into that village over there,” he told them. “As you enter it, you will see a young donkey tied there that no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31If anyone asks, ‘Why are you untying that colt?’ just say, ‘The Lord needs it.’”

    32So they went and found the colt, just as Jesus had said. 33And sure enough, as they were untying it, the owners asked them, “Why are you untying that colt?”

    34And the disciples simply replied, “The Lord needs it.” 35So they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments over it for him to ride on.

    36As he rode along, the crowds spread out their garments on the road ahead of him. 37When he reached the place where the road started down the Mount of Olives, all of his followers began to shout and sing as they walked along, praising God for all the wonderful miracles they had seen.

    38“Blessings on the King who comes in the name of the LORD!

    Peace in heaven, and glory in highest heaven!”c

    39But some of the Pharisees among the crowd said, “Teacher, rebuke your followers for saying things like that!”

    40He replied, “If they kept quiet, the stones along the road would burst into cheers!”


    Everything in green is the story (parable) Jesus told.
     
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    Excuse me? You started with personal attacks & haven't stopped.

    You made a series of completely incorrect judgments about me and my behavior and have added to them and repeated them. You have made claims about my posts that are patently untrue. That is about as personal as an attack gets, yet when I point it out you play victim. Talk about a cliched conservative defense.

    You are determined to wedge me and what I write into a mold formed by your own prejudices. I don't see any similar level of judgement aimed at people who are perfectly happy that Myanmar is committing an act of genocide....which actually explains a lot.
     
  6. Merwen

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    You can't seem to see that labeling others is exactly what you are doing yourself.

    WE're just not interested in trying to bail out members of a religion that is busily exterminating Christians and other non-Muslims all over the planet while we speak.

    I still don't understand why Obama was pushing to import Muslims at a time when Christians in the Mideast were being exterminated.
     
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    Now trying to spin it around and play the victim roll, a smart change in tactics IMO.
     
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    Draco Well-Known Member

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    So do you think this means we should, or shouldn't do something about what is going on in Myanmar?

    I don't think people even know what they are arguing about anymore.

    It sucks, but the most we can/should do is do some kind of economic sanctions. Military operations for scenarios like this should be done by blue helmets, not Americans. I am done trying to be the good guy in the world by acting as the police. No matter how altruistically you think you are being there will always be people on the other side who are angry. Then when in policing you get it wrong, you are punished all the worse. We are seeing the same thing on a micro scale here in the states actually.....

    The honest result is that large scales murders like will happen much more often. Then the cycle of history will repeat itself and some other country will take up the roll of World Police, perhaps again it would be the US. It is not a new thing, it has happened over and over throughout history. Human beings are violent, if you disagree with this you need to travel the world more.

    Things like Myanmar suck, but large scale murders happen all over the world every day. Most of us in the West take for granted the fact that things like the Vegas shooter are rare atrocities.

    While I definitely don't support slaughter of any kind, I also realize the state of my country and know right now we need to be looking inward, the world also says they want this.

    However you can without a doubt bet that the world is going to be a very bloody place for a while. Things like this are going to become more and more common as splinter governments do not fear military retaliation from the US or UN. In fact, their biggest concerns as long as Putin is in charge may be Russia, Putin definitely understands that power is the biggest commodity in the Muslim world.
     
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    OK, well you tell me the appropriate term or label for someone who is fine the murder and mass deportation of civilians who have done nothing wrong? What is the right term for someone who is OK with their villages being burned and lives destroyed simply because they belong to a particular ethnicity (which is the reason this is being done)? What is the correct term for someone who supports murder, forced removal, rape & destruction of property because of some concept of collective guilt that covers over 1 billion people.

    All Rohingyas have done wrong is be born in a nation that murders ethnic minorities for sport. They aren't responsible for the crimes of other Muslims any more than you are responsible for the crimes of other Christians or Westerners. If collective guilt is fine then its fine for nations/ethnicities/religions who feel wronged by your nation/ethnicity/religion to attack you. Is that OK?

    There is no way around what is happening here. You can't be fine with forced removals that result from murder, threats of murder, violence and village burning but then say that you disagree with the murdering, violence & destruction. Either its OK or its not. So far you & a lot of other people here have no problem with it. That is as wrong as a person gets and I don't see why its necessary to pretend otherwise. That you have found others who are also fine with it doesn't change how wrong your view is, Not even close.
     
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    Not wanting to interfere is different from being fine with it.
     
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    Sanction to the government. Ban them from international events like the Olympics.
    It's not as if they would allow the people who they ethnic cleanse compete in it anyways.

    Putin understands that warfare only makes it a lot worse. Unlike Americans who always jump to the gun.
    For further reference, their gun culture and mass shootings.
     
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    There is nothing lied about what I put up. It comes directly from your source.
    It clearly says Jesus said this.

    According to your version,... this is also said by Jesus. It is his story,... and he lays down his commands what to do. At no point in your story does the killing of infidels get labelled as wrong or anything like that. He states it, and does a mic drop.
     
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    Well, at least now you understand that the statement was said by someone else inside a story that Jesus told. Progress.
     
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    The standard you walk by is the standard you accept. You have made it clear that you support what is going on, right down to the Orwellian insistence that this is a 'relocation'. That is being fine with it.
     
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    IMO you are twisting the words of others to give yourself an ego boost.

    More mature people look down the road to see the possible future result of their action or inaction. To me, this is a more responsible stance.

    If the treatment of the Rohingya is wrong, the karma goes to those doing the wrong. If we intervene and, down the way, the Rohingya destroy that larger society, the karma is on us.
     
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    Negative. It was a story that Jesus told.
     
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    Yes--and the words spoken inside that story that Jesus told were by a character in the story, not Jesus. Jesus was telling a parable.
     
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    Jesus said it. Not some nobleman. It's his story with his message on what to do with an infidel. That has been my point all along. You're just nitpicking and trolling around.
     
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    No; you're not paying attention to the whole entry, particularly this statement:

    "And because he was nearing Jerusalem, he told them a story to correct the impression that the Kingdom of God would begin right away."

    It was a parable explaining the world as it really exists right now, with an additional suggestion of how people should make good use of what is entrusted to them. It was not an order to kill anyone.
     
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    Jesus ends with the lines that the infidels need to be killed.
    That is where it ends. There are no if's of but's after that.
     
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    Your at least consistent with your leftist, socialist, globalist agenda. Blaming our current epidemic of mass shootings on our invoking our 2nd Amendment rights is comparable to blaming WW2 on the fuel that was available to run the German tanks. IE ridiculous.

    I personally blame our mass shootings on people's who's opinions are much like yours. It's a society gone mad with lack of consequences. Illegal immigrants murderers get 8 years in prison but let someone own a bump stock and they could get 20 years. In other words stupid opinions.

    As to Myanmar.. This may sound callous but ah I'm ok with it. What the Myanmar people are doing IE the majority.. Is stating they don't want to be Muslim. So many of the Rhohingi are peaceful but that isn't the point. All Muslims are peaceful and quiet until they are able to grasp power. Then they just assimilate cultures, nations, political apparatus.. It's what the religion, culture, governing tools built into Islam are designed to do. I'm not an Islamophobe. I admire Islam. It's obnoxiously effective. What I am is a realist.

    Myanmars purging of Islam is simply the not for long majority trying to protects hundreds of years of culture and removing a problem. Hopefully more countries follow suit or in 3 Generations there will just be the US. China. and the Muslim world.

    So yes I'm ok with it.
     
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    I made no WWII reference. So You're just talking utter nonsense.

    Takes a special person to support rape, murder and massive ethnic cleansing.
    You're just disqualifying yourself as somebody who is not on par with normal values.
     
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    Normal Christian values--not Muslim ones.
     
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