Nations Gather To Defend Against Russian Aggression

I showed you the article. Can't you read plain english?

NATO is also just a treaty you genius...

You are the kind of person whose word is worth nothing. Good to know. Luckily, the UK doesn't have the reputation of being a totally unreliable treaty-breaker, as it would have if you ran things. If you don't want to defend others, don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing sign treaties saying that you will. Not very hard.

The article is so straightforward that any child could understand it. But not you apparently. Is it seriously too much to expect of a brit that they can understand plain english?

Tough (*)(*)(*)(*) for you because you are currently bound by treaty to do so. Get out of the treaty if you don't like it, but in the meantime quit whining about it.

 

That's right NATO is just a treaty. It's a defence pact. One you haven't signed.
You prevaricate at Russia and hide behind others. My friends can kick Russia's arse. na na na na na.
No thanks. I don't need you on my team at all.

I've read your article. You interpret that as nuclear attack. But it says nothing of the kind.
Not even the NATO articles say that.

The article is straightforward. We shall do all in our power to help you.
But it is us that shall decide what is and what is not in our power. Not you.
I'm just tipping you off as to what I feel you should be expecting from that clause.
Enacting MAD isn't it.



Why do you talk to me of honour?
Why should we honour any treaty to you?
It is clear you shall honour none to us.
I might equally ask Why did you sign?
Where are your nukes?
You talk loudly and carry a small stick.

How exactly are you intending to honour this commitment to us you signed up to?
You aren't. You've already made clear exactly how strong a sense of solidarity you feel to me.
I at least offer you military support, you offer me nothing at all.
Oh how honourable. Oh how useful. Oh how important it is not to get a bad reputation with you.

I don't know what to tell you, if you are counting on the EU to save your country, go look at Greece.

 

Good. So stop worrying, Russia.

 

And the EU is also a treaty, one which we have signed. What's your point?..

Then get out of the treaty, because until you do we are on the same team. Quit yer whining.

"all in your power" obviously includes nukes. Atleast to anyone who knows english. No one knows exactly what the UK would do of course (and especially not you).. But what we do know, is that the UK signed a treaty which says it will do all in the power to help. We can't know for certain what exactly that means.. But does anyone care to find out? Attack a country and see if you get nuked for it? Seems rather stupid.

Oh yes, good question.. Why should you keep your word? That you ask such a question shows you (lacking) moral character.

Yes.. I actually have negative solidarity to you, because you annoy me. But as I've said, this isn't personal. And if you haven't understood that already, you must be a special snowflake indeed. You, singular, didn't sign any treaty with either me or sweden. the UK did. Get that into your head already. No one gives a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) what you personally think of anything. We're speaking of the Uk, not you. You are not relevant.

Not only with Sweden, but with the whole world. Why would anyone make any deals with you, when you show yourself to be untrustworthy? Luckily though, no deals are made with you personally, but with the UK. And the UK is, unlike you, regarded as a trustworthy partner. A country which tries to honour their obligations.

 

I'm not on your team at all. When it comes to military response, in any alliance with us, you will be on my team.
The chain of command will flow in entirely the opposite direction.
You will be giving only the orders that your own soldiers will be able to enforce.
Which is very little indeed.
You will read in you article that any EU commitments are subservient to NATO's and any neutralities.
You are neutral and I am NATO.
As a member of NATO I must not kill them all for a neutral country. But I will sell you guns!

I will not obey your interpretation of this treaty. You have no court powerful enough to force me.
The most powerful court you have access to is enforced by us and not you. Always. And what the Russians can do to you, we can do to you. In case you were still thinking you can tell us when and when not we shall die for you.

And yes, I not we. I. We are a nation of individuals. I cannot ask anyone to do anything on my behalf that I am not willing to do myself.

So get your own Nukes. You said you could have them if you wanted them. Man up.
Until then you don't get to speak for me.


The world will make deals with us. It does. It's just you. Sitting alone outside NATO or the RF. You've said yourself you could of had nukes but decided not to bother. CBA. Let some other sucker do it.

Want to hide behind someone's else's army. Want to hide behind the rules.
No use to me. Sorry.


Hopefully this will soon be just a matter for you and French and not me.

 

Or put it somewhere that's actually close to north Korea or Iran. The easiest time to intercept a missile is when it is first launched

 

Again.. this has nothign to do with you personally. Is it the word "you" which causes confusion? I can use "thou" instead if that's needed..

First of all, Sweden isn't neutral anymore. We are part of the EU, which obliges us to help EU members. And we have made an official declaration that says something along the lines of: "If any nordic or EU country is attack, Sweden will not be passive". So, we're not neutral. Some people in Sweden might pretend and wish that we are, but we're not. Also, we have very close cooperation with NATO. No other country seriously sees us neutral.

Secondly, being part of NATO doesn't mean you can't help non-nato countries.. A NATO country can have other bilateral alliances with non-nato countries. The US has plenty.

I don't really care what thou do. I care about the UK, not thou.

No.. I believe the Russians have a stronger presence near Sweden..

Nonsensical drivel, completely irrelevant.

Jesus christ.. What the hell is your problem?.. How am I speaking "for you"? If you're just going to continue making your irrational and emotional rants, I won't waste my time anymore on you.

 

It has everything to do with me personally. In your plan, I die. Me personally.
As does everyone else in the UK. Those who you profess to care about.

We all die to preserve your vision of an EU treaty that we do not agree with. Ain't going to happen. Foolish talk.

My sentiments are shared here. If you stand up in any room of Brits and discuss an EU military alliance you will get a response akin to having just aligned yourself with Hitler. It will be deafening and angry.
You have no mutual defence treaty with us inferred from the EU. The entire EU treaty is considered here to be a gross act of corruption. Our failure to honour it makes us trustworthy in a way that they can never be.
Not that this would stop us. We argue all sorts of ridiculous laws in all sorts of ridiculous courts all day and night.

I concur that we co-operate. I concur that we are good friends. But expecting us to self destruct to save you...
I'm sorry you just haven't stopped to think about it form our side yet. What do we gain from being dead?
We will not do this. Understand this before you seek our interpretation of EU rules.

 

honestly, the way you are having this discussion tells me that you are not worth talking to. I don't want to hear your stupid irrational strawmen, I don't want to have to explain things which should already be obvious. I don't want to waste anymore time arguing with an emotional old lady.

 

I'm sorry to have disillusioned you.
To have disarmed all your imaginary nukes.

Everything, as you say, was obvious. It needed no explaining.

Now we have discussed it, we better know where we stand.

In return for you doing absolutely nothing to help in the event of an attack on the UK, you will use our own weapons to destroy us, yourselves and your enemies, in the event of an attack on Sweden.
And we will allow you to because we would rather die than damage the trust of our dead allies or indeed those still living. Rather be incinerated than stand up to your lawyers in a joke court like the EU.

I make you a counter offer. We will sell you guns. Place sanctions on your invaders.

If you want a blocking army deployed on top of this, you might ask the Americans.
But the EU? Good luck with that.