NATO to send 4,000 troops to border with Russia - report

Unlike the US, Russia doesn't have a money making machine so it can spend just for the sake of spending and filling up pockets. It looks at the needs and develops its arms accordingly. The stealth's were probably not worth the costs and the Generals decided that tanks and subs were more in tune with the type of warfare they would be conducting.

 

Wrong.

The T-50 has major design flaws and will not be produced in more than 12 planes.

The currently existing 5 T-50's are grounded.

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You're thinking of the American ones.

 

The F-22 Raptor has been flying since 1997 and as far as American's are concerned it is an old design.

We are building hundreds of Robotic Self Autonomous Stealth Fighter/Attack Drones.

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Wrong. $50 million million for a stealth fighter? Give me sources.

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How? Official Russian sources 0.1m2 for the PAK FA. They are less stealthy than the F-35.

And Russian sources say the PAK FA has a hilarious 0.1m2 radar cross section.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

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no one has true stealth. Introduction of photonic radar makes true stealth even less likely. If f35 goes into Russian airspace, it will be detected. In a dog fight, Russia fighter will win as it has greater performance in nearly all areas.

Stealth wasn't the main objective when building the PAKT50. It was cost and performance. Russian stealth jets can be detected by US radar and US stealth can be detected by Russian radar.

So no one is getting the drop. But Russian jets are not only cheaper, they also outpreformed f35.

 

Not all stealth is about radar. Heat is another factor.

 

Look.....American Dominance in being able to obtain AIR SUPREMACY over any nation is self evident.

U.S. Aircraft along with U.S. Electronic Warfare along with U.S. Cyber Command and U.S. Space Command make U.S. Air Power a impossible to defend against Military Force.

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And yet it failed to over little old Serbia.
Some tiny little Slavic backwater.

No Mr. We've tested that theory to destruction.

Even Tom Hanks got shot down over Russia.

 

That was because we were STUPID enough to follow NATO orders.

They flew the damn F-117 on the same run pattern several times and way too low as it was VISUALLY SPOTTED.

It was a failure of USE as far as the F-117 not a failure of the aircraft.

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It wasn't just that aircraft that failed.
It was all of them in combination. The air campaign failed.
It didn't get air supremacy.

The Serbian air force flew combat missions against it every day of that war.
Their army didn't get degraded from the air.

The impossible occoured... The invincible USAF didn't pwn all the noobs.

 

We made the mistake of being under NATO command.

If the USAF and Navy was allowed to properly operate there would have been no issue.

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It does not say 50 million. It says $50+ million.

Again photonic radar is limited due to atmospheric conditions.

At what distance. Again. Not the same range. Since the F-35 has a lower radar signature it gets first look.

How? The PAK FA isn't cheaper. It's estimated the FGHA cost around 100 million. It does not cost 50 million.

 

Wait, the F117 failed in Serbia? Didn't the genocidal Serb maniacs turn tail and run out of Kosovo? Hahaha.

NATO:
1 F-16, 1 F117 shot down.
Two appaches, two helos shot down
1 AV8B harrier fighter bomber crashed
47 UAVs shot down

Serbia:
14 Tanks destroyed
18 APCs destroyed
20 artillery destroyed
121 aircraft destroyed including six Mig-29s

Who got pwned again?

 

The PAK FA has a major design flaw and it is easy prey for F-15's and F-16's never mind an F-22.

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No. You have no evidence of Russian photonic radar bring limited to atmospheric conditions

Russian radar can detect it. DRFM

You made that number up. It starts at 50 million and could potentially be more expensive.


Program cost US$8–10 billion

Let's look at F35

F-35A: $98M (low rate initial production without engine, full production in 2018 to be $85M)
F-35B: US$104M (low rate initial production without engine)
F-35C: US$116M (low rate initial production without engine)

US$1.508 trillion

 

What does it matter?

U.S. Air Power would cut through Russian Aircraft and Defenses like a hot knife through warm butter.

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Prove it.

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In the early 2020s, Russia's fifth-generation PAK FA fighter jet could get a photonics-based radar system using active radio-optical phased array technology (known by its Russian acronym ROFAR). It would be capable of viewing stealth aircraft at distances beyond the range of air-to-air missiles.

 

In every instance where U.S. Aircraft went up against top line Russian aircraft the Russian Aircraft were blown out of the sky.

The F-15 Eagle has NEVER been shot down by an enemy aircraft.

The F-22 Raptor can destroy many enemy aircraft before they ever knew they were being targeted.

There is NO COMPARISON.

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We get it. You live in the past and like to relish in its glories.



Su-37
●Max. takeoff weight: 35,000 kg (77,160 lb)
●Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-37FU afterburning turbofans with 3D thrust vectoring nozzles
Dry thrust: 7,600 kgf (74.5 kN, 16,750 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 145 kN (32,000 lbf) each

Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.35
Range: 3,300 km (1,833 nmi)
Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,055 ft)
Maximum g-loading: +10/−3 g


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F18

●Max. takeoff weight: 51,900 lb (23,500 kg)
●Powerplant: 2 × General Electric F404-GE-402 turbofans
●Dry thrust: 11,000 lbf (48.9 kN) each
●Thrust with afterburner: 17,750 lbf (79.2 kN) each


Performance

Maximum speed:
●High altitude: Mach 1.8 (1,034 knots, 1,190 mph, 1,915 km/h) at 40,000 ft (12,190 m)
●Low altitude: Mach 1.2 (795 knots, 915 mph, 1,473 km/h)
●Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,240 m)
●Range: 1,089 nmi (1,250 miles, 2,000 km) with only two AIM-9s

 

KLA apparently. Who are we talking about again?

 

Jesus, NATOs even worse than the Pentagon if that's possible; the good news is that the useless MoD makes the Pentagon appear almost competent. Always a silver lining eh?

 

Kosovo is as far as we could get.

NATO stood by and watched massacres occur.


NATO lost at least one Hornet I'm thinking. I listened to a rather harrowing youtube of the pilots radio chatter, as recorded by his wingman. (it didn't sound like he died) but going down over the people you just bombed... all a bad thing to be happening.

 

You know...and I was there...every time the U.S. was blowing up Serbian Forces the Serbian Leader would invite some up and coming European POLITICIAN to discuss peace and NATO would force the U.S. to stop bombing.

While pictures and photo op's occurred the Serbian's would move their positions.

There is NO ONE....who is more idiotic than a bunch of European Politician's!!

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Fallen is a hilarious joke. Su-37? That doesn't even exist. Again the PAK FA is estimated $100 million which is more expensive than the F-35A. Even his precious RT says this! https://www.rt.com/news/fifth-generation-fighter-russia/

Again AESA counters DRFM. Photonic radar is relies on visible light which gets absorbed in a atmosphere.