NCA raid suspected gun factory in south London

Or when the other pays no heed to diplomacy and reason. But is rather driven to wrath at the prospect of failure to dominate. Would you say that God thrust Satan and his train from heaven because God lacked diplomatic skills?

 

Well I was aiming at the natural right of individuals to defend themselves as opposed to the posters suggestion that diplomacy should suffice.

 

All of which relates to poor/inadequate data collection systems and not to deliberate fraud which is what you alleged in your original post. I read similar reports when researching my responses all saying that the data capture & typology for criminal statistics needed to be improved and investment made in training and IT. That's a matter of public administration and funding decisions NOT deliberate fraud or intent to deceive. Nor have you yourself presented any evidence of an ongoing conspiracy to deceive the public by Australian Police forces beyond the one 14 year old report you quoted. Hell I was the one who found the only other example from NSW and that was even older (nearly 20 years!)

You want to allege a 'conspiracy' to keep the public in the dark about crime statistics in Australia fine? Prove it. But so far the few reports you've gather don't do that, not even close. Every western nation has problems with collecting and analyzing crime statistics arccross different jurisdictions with different data collection and categorizations systems. You think that State or National Crime statistics in the US are crystal clear? Read any professional or scientific journal involving a study of crime types in the US and it will acknowledge and account for holes in the data.

As for your claim from your post 297 that you and I quote "never made such an "allegation". Read my posted comments more carefully. It helps." Really?

Because in your post 253 you stated that: "Of course, it is important to remember that Australia is a progressive white racist police state which routinely fudges its crime data. Violent criminals in Australia tend to be white and well armed. " Note the underlined section. One sentence making one claim without providing any evidence to support it, either then or subsequently.

Now please explain how anyone who reads that going to believe that (A) you never said it and (B) reading it 'more carefully' is going to change how it's interpreted in any way? Go on, explain how that would work. Get some friends to help you if you must but explain it.

And lets not even start on the bit about " Australia is a progressive white racist police state"! (Again with no evidence offered in support. ) This about a nation that has a far, far lower crime rate than the US as a % of population and which also ranks higher on various international indexes of democracy than the US does. (True Fact! Look it up if you don't believe me)

Facts are important in debates. Have some before you make a claim.

 

You have been misinformed.

In fact, Australia has always been a white racist police state. That is why it was created. Surely you know that.
The systemic institutional racism of Australia’s authoritarian government is well documented from the beginning until this very day.

“This insidious problem is a product of Australia's historical legacy of dispossession and racism against First Nations people, and a reflection of the colonial ways of living and thinking that continue to dominate the country's institutions.
As a result, it is deeply ingrained into our political, social, legal, criminal and education institutions.”

SBS, NITV, Racism, Institutional racism is at work in Australia. How does it affect Indigenous people?, By Bronte Charles, Source: NITV, Published 29 March 2023 4:37pm, Updated 29 March 2023 4:45pm.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article...ow-does-it-affect-indigenous-people/ds4mvd3ft

 

They say that hogs are a nuisance. But I think that they are a worthy game animal, especially with a MZLDR. Congrats on that river stalk. Best pork I ever ate came from a small wild hog, cooked on a grill. Took it with a 70# compound bow from a tree stand on the edge of a swamp at Bull Creek WMA in Central Florida.

 

Awesome and yes it does taste better than store-bought in my opinion. But I don't think you want to eat a boar unless you castrate it and grain feed it for a while but I thought the sow was pretty good.

My boss man gave me a sow about 6 months ago that they had trapped and grain fed for a few months before slaughter.

That was very good and most ideal way to eat wild hog.

I've never actually ate a wild boar but I understand if you don't do that to it you might as well just leave it where it lays or make sausage.

I myself was born and raised in Central Florida until I was 16.

Now I live a couple hundred miles south

 

Same here. I think it's an inner city problem involving single Mothers and Fatherless homes made possible by welfare.

 

Remember that word 'facts' . You still don't have any supporting your claims nor have you made any attempt to prove or recant your statement about armed criminals in Australia being white. Obviously you can't prove it and your won't retract it because you can;;t bear to admit you are wrong.

From the Oxford dictionary 'institutional racism; " discrimination or unequal treatment on the basis of membership of a particular ethnic group (typically one that is a minority or marginalized), arising from systems, structures, or expectations that have become established within an institution or organization."

What that definition does 'not' include is the claim that institutional racism is official Government Policy. Where it exists (and it exists all over the world including surprise, surprise the US) in all nations democratic or not even ones with excellent civil rights records like Sweden where there are ethnic minorities like the Sami who often refer to specific policies that are in their opinion discriminatory because of what they regard as the adverse outcomes for their people.

Instead institutional racism usually ends up resulting form historical circumstances and failure by states to address inadequate income distributions, education opportunities and health for the poor. And all to often ethic minorities are overly represented amoughst the poor, especially if they live in remote locations. The biggest problem Aboriginal people in Australia have? High and chronic levels of inter-generational unemployment, why? Because a large proportion of first nation people live in remote locations where there are no jobs and never will be because you can't make employers move to where the workforce is, the workforce has to move to the employer.

At the same time as aboriginal communities in central and northern Australia have been trapped in a generational cycle of abuse, violence and poverty literally hundreds of small country towns across Australia have disappeared as their populations slowly moved to the cities and large regional centers for job opportunities. For cultural reasons many young aboriginals don't, and as a result miss out on the opportunities other Australians will have. And government services don't (probably never will) fill in the gap's largely because they can't. All of this is fact you, can look up the stats if you want. But then I know you won't because that would mean being proven wrong (again). Far better just to drop in blatantly wrong 'opinions' and then run.

And that's all I'm going to say on this topic because this is a firearms thread which for whatever reason you've decided to hijack with erroneous claims that you never back up with facts.

 

And guns are not banned in the UK at all, if you consider shotguns. They make you get a hunter's license, but they have a very active hunting population even the queen hunted.

 

Is there a right to own a shotgun in the UK? If you have to apply for govt permission, then its not a right. Explosives, artillery, deadly viruses, money printing machines, those are all banned. I could still theoretically get them all with the governments permission. But that just means they are banned without the permission of the govt.

 

No, it is in all areas of our country now. As a matter of fact in communities less than 50,000 the teen pregnancy rates are almost double inner city rates.

And to welfare, the south has the largest % amount of unmarried women, while here in Mass, we have the highest welfare benefits and the lowest %

Percent of Babies Born to Unmarried Mothers by State (cdc.gov)

 

Well we can't drive then either. I havent owned a gun in years, but my youngest is a gun nut in training I think he has about 10 now. If he can afford 4000 for guns he can afford a $10 license, I don't find that an infringement at all. I don't find mandatory gun handling courses an infringement either. I also think that any felony conviction should preclude you for owning a gun or having a gun In your home.

 

LOL! I Double Dog Dare you to paste up a statement from me that armed criminals in Australia are white. Go for it!

Or have you "decided to hijack with erroneous claims that you never back up with facts."

 

Easy.

Your post No. 253 and I quote. " Of course, it is important to remember that Australia is a progressive white racist police state which routinely fudges its crime data.
Violent criminals in Australia tend to be white and well armed."

I can only assume that at some point in your life you've suffered one (or more) blows to the head that have severely effected your memory!

Seek help!

 

LOL! Try actually reading the quote. It does not say "armed criminals in Australia are white."

Facts still matter.

 

Oh sure! 'armed' and 'violent criminals are two entirely different things. And white Australian criminals never carry arms, this you 'know' for certain! . The final resort of someone who has no facts and no argument and then gets called on it. Pedantry.

Just .... pathetic really.

 

The gun Baldwin was shooting was a 45 colt caliber handgun that could fire blanks as well as live ammunition. It wasn't loaded with blanks. No conversion invoved.

 

Try to actually read what I posted: "Of course, it is important to remember that Australia is a progressive white racist police state which routinely fudges its crime data.Violent criminals in Australia tend to be white and well armed."

Now read what you said I posted and see if you can find the missing word. It may help you understand.

The racist white progressive majority in Australia needs to face the Inconvenient Truth about its historical and ongoing systemic institutional racism before it can purge the race hate that has always permeated the authoritarian structure of Australia’s government and social systems.

Confession, just telling the truth, along with systemic reform will be difficult, but it is the only cure.

This may help you understand:

“Criminal justice and law enforcement system

We are not short on evidence of the institutional racism that is present in the criminal justice and law enforcement system.
Criminal courts are home to a large proportion of white decision makers. Despite just making 3.8 per cent of the total Australian population, Australia's prison population is 32 per cent Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander.

Mootijah Shillingsworth's death in custody ruled 'preventable'

More than 500 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people have died in custody since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody.
Inquiries have found racism to be present among working police forces, most recently in Queensland. Police programs have been found to disproportionately target Aboriginal people, excessively use force and violence against Aboriginal people and police culture and attitudes have actively discriminated against us.”

SBS, NITV, Racism, Institutional racism is at work in Australia. How does it affect Indigenous people?, By Bronte Charles, Source: NITV, Published 29 March 2023 4:37pm, Updated 29 March 2023 4:45pm.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article...ow-does-it-affect-indigenous-people/ds4mvd3ft

 

Well, I suppose all the abortion clinics in our DP ruled urban hell holes are meeting their goal of keeping the live birth rate down.

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   US Births Rise for First Time Since 2014; Black Women Saw Drop
   May 24, 2022Black women saw a 2% drop in births compared with 2020, with 3% falls for Asians and for American Indian or Alaska Native people. Hispanics, of any race, also saw a 2% rise. US Births Births...
   
   https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-blacks-saw-a-decline?leadSource=uverify wall

 

Like all bad things, it spreads and worsens. But to the point, it is the den from which the over abundance of violent predators go out and torment society.

 

You can drive without a liscence, just not on public roads.

Safety courses would need to be free and widely available if they were to be a prerequisite for exercizing a civil right. Otherwise it would just be creating a barrier to access. And given thats precisely what a lot of people seem intent on doing by any illegitimate means possible, it makes it very difficult to agree to any restrictions, no matter how seemingly 'reasonable', if the conditions of those restrictions can potentially be used in a biased manner ...because they for sure will be by people who dont like civilian firearm use.

 

when you see people showing serious hatred towards lawful gun ownership and calling gun owners "fetishists" or "gun huggers" and then they claim they want "sensible restrictions", that is a sure fire giveaway that nothing they intend is sensible at all