Netanyahu: Iran lied about not pursuing nuclear weapons

Nazi Netanyahu is the new dictator of the USA and commands all American policies from his war room in Jerusalem.

 

For the reason given several times already, I don't believe Iran is in compliance. And it doesn't make any difference now that Trump ****-canned the faulty deal!

 

what you believe is meaningless.

what you can prove with evidence is all that matters.

or do you want this again?

 

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran

 

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There's a subtext to WMD arms development we should consider when we look at rogue regimes like Iran. Nanotechnology and biotechnology may well be the WMD of choice in the near future, so an ironclad inspection regime for nukes may be largely irrelevant. I think the key to dealing with Iran is to challenge them on their behavior we find objectionable and be less concerned they might develop nuclear weapons outside an arms agreement.

I believe we should have kept the deal and pressured Iran over their actions in Syria and Yemen.

 

What your post says is that, as a consequence of humans' decision to use certain symbols - collectively named "continents" - to make it easier to understand the geography of the world around them, humans who happen to live in one of those continents should never be allowed to settle on another continent.

Should someone tell the Turks to get the hell out of Europe because they're Asians, and to get the hell out of Asia because they're Europeans? What about Russians?

Should Poles immigrate in very large numbers to France and decide to make Bretagne a Polish country, would that be OK since both the Poles and the French are Europeans? Should the Chinese immigrate in very large numbers to Nepal and decide to make it a Chinese country, would that be OK since both Chinese and Nepalese are Asians?

Should the US citizens immigrate in very large numbers to Canada and decide to make it a US state, would that be OK since both countries are on the same continent?

You know, for an atheist, to look at continents as absolutely separate, immutable entities inhabited by fundamentally and inherently different species of homo more or less sapiens...well, it reeks of totalitarian religious-like mindset.

The rest of your post is flaimbait and loaded language. Ignored.

 

No, again you are simply deflecting from the very simple truth, Jewish Migrants arrived in land not theirs and imposed their laws and customs on the indigenous population. I welcome Jews and Muslims into Europe, but not if they intend to try changing the laws of the host country. So it was of the European Jews moving to the middle east.
And as I showed you started with the loaded language!

 

Only proof will change my mind.

The famous UN quote about unusual natural growth among the Arabs of Palestine is not proof, by the way. It's just a statement, not backed by proof.

There are testimonies regarding the massive Arab immigration in Palestine. These testimonies, combined with earlier travelers' descriptions of a barren, sparsely populated Ottoman Palestine, give a clear picture of the situation.

Let me know if you're interested in some reading material regarding this issue.

 

No new information has come forth

 

The land you speak of wasn't a country. It was a former province of the Ottoman Empire, freshly liberated. The Ottoman laws were no longer valid. The British gave the indigenous population new laws.

The indigenous population included Jews. In fact, until the end of the 70s, the majority of Jews in Palestine and then Israel were of Middle Eastern origin.

Ever heard of olei hagardom? The Etzel and Lehi members hanged by the British?

Shlomo Ben Yosef, born in Poland

Eliyahu Hakim, born in Beirut, Lebanon

Eliyahu Bet-Zuri, born in Tel Aviv to Palestinian Jews.

Dov Gruner, born in Hungary

Mordechai Alkahi, born in Petah Tikvah, Palestine, to Jewish immigrants from Turkey

Yehiel Dov Dresner, born in Poland

Eliezer Kashani, born in Petach Tikvah, Palestine, to a Persian Jewish family

Meir Feinstein, born in Jerusalem

Moshe Barazani, born in Baghdad, Kurdish Jew

Avshalom Haviv, born in Haifa

Meir Nakar, born in Jerusalem to a family of Iraqi Jewish origin

Yaakov Weiss, born in Czechoslovakia

So much for European colonists.

I don't know where you find all the misinformation in your posts. The amount of faulty and unproven premises in your posts is astounding. I have neither the time, nor the patience to dwell on them, though.

 

Then you ought to be making reparations for forcing the indigenous population off their land during both 48 and 67 if that is your belief. I understand that this is becoming something the under 35's are moving towards. I also understand there is a new political party in Israel which is based on ideas of social justice. Thankfully in Israel there are some people with conscience and political knowledge - very important as you stand pretty much inside fascism now.

Indeed. Israel destroyed around 500 villages after the 48 war, possibly some before as it had ethnically cleansed 300,000 before the war which is why the arab armies came in. Some put the number at 400,000. The land did not belong to Israel. International law has demanded Israel allow the people expelled to return to their homes ever since. Added to that Israel expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians after their 67 war - something which is rarely mentioned.

this is what you are replying to

You surely cannot be denying that Israel was after land and ended up taking 78% of historic Palestine far more than even the UN after the bribery and blackmail that went on before the vote, even suggested. It Israel being only 1/3rd of the population of Palestine and owning only 6% of the land that should be allowed 55% of historic Palestine. UK archives state that the arabs were willing to do a deal with the zionists but that they would not accept any agreement which was so outrageously in their favour that the indigenous population of Palestine could not accept it. This deal which required bribery and blackmail of countries fitted that - although obviously from the beginning Israel's intent was to take more which as I have said above she did.

If you are wanting me to prove that they had been living there for up to 5,000 years, that was the time Uri Avnery suggested. We obviously do not have statistics from that time - the up to speaks for itself.

you are asking this of

I am not going to go searching for this again but I can tell you my source for this was Mid East Web a website created by Zionist Jew who died a few years ago. He however built this site in an attempt to build a site which was as near the truth as he could find. You prove it is not so.

This is just being ridiculous. Obviously by any norm, the people who have lived in a particular place for hundreds or thousands of years have far more right to live there and call it their land than Colonialists from the other side of the world whose history is there.

I said this

and have no reason to change what is the truth.

 

Of course the British gave new laws they were paving the way for the future European Jewish settlers, quite how that helps your argument I do not know! It just shows that it was a colonial project all along. Churchill proposed representative government for the people in the mandate but of course Weizmann wanted none of it, as the Jews were in a minority! Not until Jewish forces has ethnically cleansed the indigenous population could democracy be adopted.
How amusing, you give the names of Jewish Terrorist scum as proof of what? That the majority were migrants to Palestine!
Then you accuse me of misinformation whilst stating that the failed suicide bomber, Meir Feinstine who was actually born to first generation migrants from Poland was hanged! This piece of human garbage blew himself up in a British prison, he was not hanged at all. Just one example of the fiction you peddle.
His life is remarkably similar to that of Muslim Terrorist scum born of first generation immigrants who have attacked Europe in recent years. Of course Jewish bus bombers and suicide bombers are revered, rather than seen as the terrorist scum they were!

 

"Based on Jewish Agency statistics from 1947, Deborah Bernstein estimated that 77% of Arab population growth in Palestine between 1914 and 1945, during which the Arab population doubled, was due to natural increase, while 23% was due to immigration. Bernstein wrote that Arab immigration was primarily from Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan, and Egypt."​

"The overall assessment of several British reports was that the increase in the Arab population was primarily due to natural increase. These included the Hope Simpson Enquiry (1930), the Passfield White Paper (1930), the Peel Commission report (1937), and the Survey of Palestine (1945). However, the Hope Simpson Enquiry did note that there was significant illegal immigration from the surrounding Arab territories, while the Peel Commission and Survey of Palestine claimed that immigration played only a minor role in the growth of the Arab population. The 1931 census of Palestine considered the question of illegal immigration since the previous census in 1922. It estimated that unrecorded immigration during that period may have amounted to 9,000 Jews and 4,000 Arabs. It also gave the proportion of persons living in Palestine in 1931 who were born outside Palestine: Muslims, 2%; Christians, 20%; Jews, 58%."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
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I realize it's wiki summary, but if you look at the footnote cites in the artticle you'll find the reliable proof you require.

I don't know what would be more reliable than census data, but there is general agreememt Palestine has a small population prior to the British Mandate.

The Jewish Virtual Library estimates than Palestine had just 660,000 people in 1918.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

Historians are always interested in evidence.

 

Most of the people who were displaced in 1948 and 1967 are dead as are the Israelis who displaced the Palestinians. The descendants of those people have either been advantaged or disadvantaged as a result. Restorative justice is a reasonable goal, but it's difficult to implement without creating new injustices.

 

Reparations? Sure, as soon as an agreement is reached regarding reparations for the 800,000 Jews forced out of Muslim countries.

I don't like the present government myself, some of the coalition partners are too far to the right for my peace of mind, but we're not inside fascism.

We use quite different sources for the history of the conflict. Let's agree to disagree.

Historic Palestine stretched on both sides of the Jordan River. Israel occupies a little more than 20% of the original British Mandate (that included the territory of today's Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan), and was supposed to be even smaller, if not for territories conquered in a defensive war against 5 Arab armies. Arabs occupy the rest of it. Somehow this situation doesn't strike me like a deal outrageously in favor of the Zionists. Certainly not a deal worth the effort of bribery and blackmail.

By the way, I know nothing of bribery and blackmail.

UK did everything in their power to prevent the birth of the Jewish state, including training the Jordanian army and leading it into battle against baby Israel.

Uri Avnery? He's got no qualifications to make such claims.

True. That's why Jews should return to Gaza, where they lived for more than two thousand years, until first the British (from the other side of the world) then the Egyptians kicked them out.

How about a Jewish country in Iraq, where Jews have lived for 2,500 years, long before Arabs? With half of Baghdad as capital city?

Why do you ignore pan-Arab ethnic nationalism?

 

LOL....as opposed your self-righteous know-it-allism....which is some how full of meaning and truth!

 

The so-called "Palestinians" believe that a reasonable goal is the total destruction of Israel....and yes, it will be difficult to implement that as Israel doesn't think much of national suicide!

 

No, the Palestinians consist of Muslim's, Jew and Christians largely, they have a variety of views and most wish only to see peace and to be allowed to return to their land stolen by Israel. They do not wish to live in the Jewish state, which considering the way they have been treated is hardly surprising.

 

Those in power and the real voice behind that "coalition" is the 'death to Israel' crowd....peace is the last thing they want!

 

You didn't understand my post.

You claim Israel is a European colonial project. But eight of the twelve olei hagardom - regardless of how they died - were Middle Eastern Jews. I just tried to emphasize, through this example, the Middle Eastern Jews' share in the general Jewish population of Mandate Palestine, as well as their share in the Zionist enterprise. As I already said, the later were the majority. Zionism wasn't exclusively European.

Not that I see anything wrong with Jews returning to Palestine from Europe, the US, or wherever they came from.

Frankly, the bit about the British paving the way for Jews is hilarious. They did everything they could to hinder the Zionist enterprise, including giving over 60% of the land entrusted to them for the Jewish national home away to the Hashemite Bedouins from the Arabian Peninsula.

 

Your every post is more bizarre than the before it. Is it possible that you actually believe the things you write? Just reading your silly offerings causes me to break out in laughter at the outrageousness of your claims!

 

Iran wanted Trump to keep the deal.....they made out like bandits because of that stupid Obama....but now they are butt-hurt because the scam is over. Here they are burning another US flag to show their displeasure!

 

The UK got the same type of government where the prime minister is appointed by a monarch with no power.
Here... have an other one. Dutch king sworn in Dutch government...
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2017/10/the-new-cabinet-is-sworn-in-16-ministers-pose-with-the-king/

It proves you wrong, that Iran was democratic.
It's also on wikipedia all over that he got elected democratically.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/country

Definition of country
plural countries
1: an indefinite usually extended expanse of land : region

• miles of open country

2a : the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship

• left their country for America

b : a political state or nation or its territory

• the country of Italy

3a : the people of a state or district : populace

• Most of the country voted to end the death penalty.

b : jury
c : electorate 2

• The government will go to the country with this issue.

4: rural as distinguished from urban areas

• prefers the country to the city

5: country music

Indeed... let me remind you how utterly violent the US is.

That absurdum argument... is your dishonest comparison = red herring.
The US acted violently against Iran, and still refuses to regret a thing.
Germany acted violently against Jews, not Israeli's, and regrets it.
So Israel doesn't have some moral right to be mad, where Iran still has.

 

That is like claiming a black person can harm your random white person because of who the KKK represents.
It's always the same with ilk like you lot. You lot justify war crimes all the time when it's the Jews who commit them.

Don't Israeli Jews massacre enormous amount of children by bombing their civilian area's?
Heck, I recall Israeli Jews even bombarding children playing football on the beach.
At during the Nakba, the Jews did also commit genocide.