New Variant 'IHU' Identified In France, May Have 46 Mutations

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  1. independentthinker

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    But vaccinated people are spreading the virus to people who wind up going to hospitals, with some of them dying and I'm not talking about just the unvaccinated. Vaccinated are going to hospitals and dying as well from catching the virus from other vaccinateds. And that doesn't even take into account vaccinated people spreading the virus to unvaccinated children. If the left were actually serious about the virus spreading, putting people in the hospital with some dying, then they would not be encouraging vaccinated people to go out and spread the virus, as they do with all kinds of things from places of employment to 80,000 seat football stadiums, to cruise ships. This virus is spreading because of the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated. Until the left realize that, and I question whether they ever will, the virus will continue spreading. It's spreading even in the most highly vaccinated areas, in the most masked areas, and the most regulated areas because the left are perfectly fine with the vaccinated going out en masse, spreading the virus. When are they going to wake up?
     
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    Meow!

    Yet so true.
     
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    Not sure the word 'yet' should even be included.

    We're entered the age of the virus - thanks to ****ing globalism and spastic travel.
     
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    Keeping the healthcare systems intact DOES save lives. That's the point.
     
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    Well technically, yes there was. We could have immediately stopped ALL movement that wasn't freight. Close all borders down to the state or territory level, and definitely all national borders.

    We only avoided viral pandemics prior to 1918, because we didn't have ADHD until then. This is pure human error, and not a function of nature in anything like the sense we would prefer to believe. Our behaviour has caused this.
     
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    No, the point is that healthcare systems are the tools, the goal is treating those in need. Reinforce the system where it's needed. If patients become secondary the system is seriously broken.
     
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    Trump brought politics in it from Day One. Democrats responded and the game was on.

    What I can't fathom is why we haven't done more with PPE for vulnerable people (over 60, overweight, diabetic, etc.) that would help them and help our hospitals. We've had two years to organize an effort to help people protect themselves. No pressure, just help. Almost nothing.

    I can't believe the number of men I know over 65 who would rather risk catching covid than shave off their beard to get a good mask fit. There's not enough education taking place.
     
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    Vaccinated are less likely to catch covid and therefore less likely to transmit it.
    Not per capita.
    At the stadium? Vaccinated people, obviously.
    Same as the stadium
     
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    ALL vaccinated people will 100% catch Covid and spread Covid if they are exposed to enough of the virus. That's why it is surging everywhere. The only difference is the severity of the disease. That was true with Delta and it is even more true with Omicron. So, there is absolutely ZERO difference between the vaccinated spreading Covid and the unvaccinated spreading Covid. The government is lying to us by only counting hospitalizations and deaths as breakthrough infections while every other vaccinated person is spreading the virus and aren't counted as breakthrough infections even though they really are breakthrough infections that are either asymptomatic or have only minor symptoms. Nonetheless, the are still catching and spreading the virus.
     
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    None of that is realistic

    That is like saying well the virus wouldn't spread if we all stayed in our house in separate rooms from each other and avoided all human contact for roughly 3 to 4 months starting at the exact same time.

    It was an act of impossibility and will remain so this thing is going to mutate and it's going to spread at will and there's nothing we can do about it
     
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    No the vaccinated are not being admitted to hospital in anywhere near the numbers the unvaccinated are being admitted. This almost sounds like sour grapes because the vaccinated spread less virus
     
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    Sigh. What do you think keeping people out of icu does? You stress the healthcare system and mortality rises and not just in people infected with COVID
     
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    It must be about that because people are changing their consumption from services we produce to goods made overseas (Chinese imports up 25%). We're in danger of writing off a lot of capital because consumers are mitigating covid risk by avoiding "places with faces." Even worse, once covid becomes less of a threat, people will likely resume purchasing services and we'll have to recreate businesses we recently destroyed.
     
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    It's a similar pattern across Canada. We all have to restrict our activities because we want flatten the peak so our hospital systems don't have to triage patients.
     
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    Did Omicron come from one of these countries?
     
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    Compliance

    The average person is ratshit at compliance and it might engender an awful lot of waste - as it is used masks are getting into oceans
     
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    That certainly seems to be the case.
     
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    ****. I've just outlined Biden's next move, haven't I?
     
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    The vaccinated are spreading the virus more than the unvaccinated are.

    Who spreads the virus more, a few unvaccinated chumps having to watch a football game from home because they weren't allowed into the football stadium or 80,000 vaccinated fans allowed into the stadium?

    Who spreads the virus more, the unvaccinated turned away and not allowed on cruise ships or the tens of thousands of vaccinated allowed on the cruise ships? (By the way, EVERY single cruise ship sailing in US waters have Covid cases on board)

    Who spreads the virus more at a place of work of 10,000 people, the 100 unvaccinated who were fired from their jobs and are not there, or the 9900 vaccinated employees who are allowed to work?
     
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    The systems have remained intact since the onset of this pandemic. New York City was in trouble but even that was exaggerated to a degree, they got the help they requested and didn't use much of it. The people in these systems are doing a terrific job and it's very hard I'm sure, especially when they lose a fight and a patient. We will owe them forever but that doesn't change the reality that it's their job. The systems that are stressed need support from the Feds and they should get it. That was what was done for New York City. Who is vaccinated or not doesn't seem to be a tilting point.
     
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    We can hope not but .........

    I wonder about the great uncounted group of people who got Covid and worked through it like they have done for the flu all their working lives? Some people have no sick time and their bills don't take a month off either so they take Motrin, antihistamines and cowboy up and hit it.
     
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    Ya...absolutely could happen!

    I actually just got over covid. Took all of three ****ing days and was what I would describe as a moderate flu. Now I have been double vacc'd so I'm sure that helped with the mild symptoms but here's something to consider;

    The CDC estimated that in 2019 during the flu season, upwards of 65 million American's were estimated to have had the seasonal flu. Now I don't know about you but if we had obsessed about the tracking stats per day on that, it would have been scary!
     
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    Most of us have taken flu shots every year for most of our lives so flu has a hard time sneaking up on us. I think Covid will be like that when the government accepts that it is and stops trying to stop the flow from a busted dam. I think we should redirect our efforts to treatment and bolster the systems that get the most burden. We are never going to get Covid to the smallpox level, we simply aren't.
     
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    The whole "COVID variant" tripe is just semantic gameplaying for fear mongering purposes (since COVID-19 is the "established brand" that the fear is based on).

    COVID-19 is already a variant within the SARS-CoV series of viruses. Thus, any so-called "COVID-19 variant" is no longer COVID-19 anymore... it is something else entirely (likely another virus within the SARS-CoV series). A "variant of a variant" is simply a variant, just like the "brother of your brother" is simply your brother.

    COVID-19 has been a non-issue for a long time now, due to the above, as other (likely also SARS-CoV series viruses) are spreading around at the moment. Just like it is with influenza viruses, you can't vaccinate for all of these SARS-CoV series viruses either. There are simply going to be too many variants.

    Treat it like a flu and move on with life. Stop the mandates. Stop the fear mongering.
     
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    You can't stop an airborne virus from circulating. It is all over, everywhere.
     

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