Norwegian man sentenced to 6 years for giving girlfriend abortion pill laced smoothie

Oh, so it's only harm if the fetus was removed against her wishes.

 

So just establishing that the WOMAN is solely responsible for what goes on with her body? Absolutely every thing that happens to her body, is entirely her decision, her responsibility, and her actions to decide? This is what you believe?

PS: No, I don't think men have any say or responsibility for what women do with their bodies. That's the point.

 

You got it! It's her body and her decision whether she carries to term. She has a greater right than the fetus or sperm donor to decide what happens to her and her life.

 

Even in the case of TWO fetuses, and a committed loving father who desperately wants to keep his child?

(Sounds to me like that's 3 against 1 in that case)

 

Ok, now you're trying for HUMOR???

Hasn't it been clear for YEARS that the issue is that it is the woman's body, so SHE is the one who gets to choose what happens to HER body???

Surely this isn't some sort of shocking news.

 

Do you think this democracy in action? You have a right to decide what happens to your body do you not? Or don't you believe that?

 

Yes, that's exactly what some of us have been trying to say all along. That's it the woman's responsibility ENTIRELY.

But you should see them try to deny her autonomy in the pro-choice threads

 

Of course, who else would have responsibility for her body? And it's a fact, not just what I believe.

Does someone other than you have responsibility for what you do with your body?

Yup, that was my point....I guess we agree that the father has no say ...good.

Here's the complete exchange:

"""""crank said: ↑
So it's her decision - the father has no say or control in the matter. Is that right?"""""""""""""""


FoxHastings:You got it right! WOW!

Did you want the father to have a say? What if his "say" was , "have an abortion"..... ?????""

 

WHERE in a "pro-Choice" thread did a Pro-Choicer say differently.....I think you're confusing Pro-Choicers with Anti-Choicers..


That's what Pro-Choice is all about, the right to one's own body...

 

edna kawabata said: ↑
She has a greater right than the fetus or sperm donor to decide what happens to her and her life.

YES

 

Well we agree, in that case. WOMEN are solely and exclusively responsible for whatever happens to their bodies. No man can ever be assumed to be partly or jointly responsible.

And all this time I thought you were arguing that men had partial responsibility .. because that is exactly what some were suggesting on the pro-choice threads. They argued that men were somehow responsible for unwanted pregnancies ... can you imagine! Talk about denying women their autonomy!

 

All over them. Constant bleating about the man being equally responsible (for her choices and her body). Crazy, woman-denial stuff.

 

Yes, men can be responsible for a woman having an unwanted pregnancy....that's usually how women get pregnant....didn't you know that ?

 

No, you have no examples and seem to be confused about "being responsible for making a woman pregnant"" and a woman's bodily autonomy.....they are two different things...

 

ah .. so she's NOT responsible for her own body, then? She can't make autonomous decisions on what happens to it?

you sure are confusing with your hither and yon.

 

So men are making women have unprotected sex with them, because you don't believe women have any decision making powers (at all, apparently)? A minute ago you declared that women and ONLY women have full decision making powers over their own bodies.

 

I never said that...that was YOU who said that....you seem confused about what you said...

I am not the one who caused your confusion.

 

Yes, and I never said anything about men forcing women to have sex...…


Did you have anything resembling a point?

 

You said men are equally responsible for unwanted pregnancies .. which means that unwanted pregnancies are the result of a 'half-rape'. Which means women do not have 100% autonomy over what happens to their own bodies.

YOU are saying men are responsible (for women's bodies), and I am saying they are NOT.

 

I asked you, clearly and multiple times, if you believe that women have SOLE responsibility for what happens to their bodies - and in every case you answered in the affirmative. That's WHY I kept repeating it, and clarifying it, and making absolutely sure that that is what you were saying.

Then you went on to contradict that entirely by suggesting that men have responsibility for what happens to women's bodies.

 

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I NEVER said equally so that's a …."error"

Yes, men are responsible for getting women pregnant....that does NOT mean they are responsible for the woman's body nor does it mean that a woman isn't responsible for her own body....


You aren't making sense....just because a man has sex with a woman and impregnates her doesn't mean she's not responsible for her own body...WHF are you talking about???

That's just babble...

I never said that....why do Anti-Choicers ALWAYS have to lie??? No facts??

 

No, the father IS responsible for a portion of the support for medical care of the woman he impregnated and for raising a CHILD that he took part in creating.

The woman has FULL choice concerning her own body. The father of the fetus doesn't get that.


Crank, I truly apologize for biology. It's so unfair!

If I had decision authority over evolution, I'd probably have taken a different direction.

 

...and then you babble on about how a man having sex and impregnating a woman means women lose the right to their own bodies and are owned by the men that impregnated them...that's just weird..


And YOU NEVER answered my question: You wanted men to have a say in a woman's pregnancy....what if he said , "abort" ?

 

Maybe humans should go back to laying eggs so as not to upset those who are opposed to current biology.

 

If humans laid eggs women would probably be trying to abort those too.