NRA Furious Over Gun Shop Sales Tracking by credit card companies

NRA Furious Over Gun Shop Sales Tracking Using New Credit Card Code (businessinsider.com)

This is a perfect example of how fascism works in this country. The same with Big Tech and its censorship at request of the Biden Regime, here the credit card companies are attempting to suppress gun purchases by credit card to advance the liberal anti-gun agenda.

There have been other stories of UPS not delivering legally purchased ammunition to the buyers, a variation on the theme of unholy and illegal cooperation between corporations and government stooges.

 

Don't like it ? Pay cash.

Can't get it delivered ? Go pick it up.

This is a perfect example of gun nutters fabricating an issue where their is none.

And the NRA, despite their propaganda claim, is not a "Constitutional rights" organization, it's a sales organization for the gun industry and a corrupt one at that.

 

LOL, what if they refused to deliver Plan B abortion pills, or jimmy hats? Everybody cool with that too? The NRA is pretty big on the 2A, you may catch some blowback on that one.

 

What do you mean "what if" ? There are already places in this country that don't.

 

UPS won’t deliver Plan B pills? Since when? Looks like they’re only waffling on delivering lawfully purchased packages.

 

How are they suppressing gun purchases with this change exactly? It's just changing the category from one to another, albeit a presumably more specific one. The same data will already have the details of the specific store anyway so while it may aid with generalised data analysis, it's not going to make any major different to individual buyers.

 

They aren't tracking sales they are tracking the guns.

 

No, it's the exact opposite. That's actually one of the objections, since any purchase from a gun store will fall under the same category (a gun safe is give as an example in one of the articles). I'm not convinced it will actually make much difference either way, but it certainly isn't about tracking individual guns or suppressing gun purchases as the OP suggested.

 

It's tracking individuals who may be expected to have guns. If you have a list of those who have them you don't need to have a serial number to raid a home. I don't have a great fear of 'them' coming for my guns but I'm neither blind nor stupid. there are lists, even your doctor our or your child's doctor asks you if you have guns in the home. Of course, you aren't under oath or anything.

 

i don’t know if UPS won’t deliver them , but there are places that won’t make Plan B available to you or sell them, a lawful product.

UPS is not the only carrier available .

 

yeah there are ****** companies who refuse to provide proper medical care for people for silly reasons.

if ups doesn’t want someone’s business that’s their call, but they need to be up front about what they will or won’t ship. If it’s not a safety call, and it isn’t, they need to clarify what’s going on with their business model.

 

Isn't that a good idea? Why are people so afraid of the government tracking guns that are sold?
Seems like that is a good way to try to make sure they don't wind up in the wrong hands. If they tracked them from the maker they might be able to cut down on the amount of guns being sold and shipped over the border, or sold to people who aren't supposed to have them.
I've never understood the argument over more gun tracking, verification.

 

Because it's easier to confiscate guns if you know where they are at.

 

Why do you feel that anyone is going to confiscate guns from people? The only ones I hear mention that are hard core gun enthusiasts.
Kind of like before the 2008 election, right wing news outlets were crowing about Obama would take their guns, yet, even with a Democrat congress, they didn't even attempt to confiscate one single gun.
So, common sense gun control is overridden by unrealistic fears?

 

Because they say they will.

Because "common sense" has so many variations.

 

I honestly don't hear anyone saying they will, except for pro gun people.
Do you think the NRA would stoke fear in people to boost gun sales?
Do you think the NRA is a constitutional rights driven organization or a gun business organization driven by money?
BTW, I appreciate you answering without being offended.
And I agree, common sense is a pretty broad term, and subject to interpretation. I'll limit it to just tracking all guns manufactured or imported so the rightful owners are possessing them and the sales of them are to qualified persons. That way if guns are being siphoned off for illegal purposes (shipping to Mexico, felons, unauthorized gun dealers, etc) they might be able to stem some of the illegal possession.
I think the fear of the government suddenly taking the guns from lawful individuals is an unrealistic fear.

 

All so sensible and well intentioned. All leading to pinpointing location of firearms and we know we can trust politicians who stand up and rail against gun ownership, Beto O'Rourke, and repealing the 2nd Amendment, AOC. Now I'm sure I'm on more than one list and don't lose any sleep over it but it's real. The approach today is take your guns for your own good and that of your neighbors because you are deemed sort of.... off balance?

I thought RvW was established law and off the table.

 

I agree there are some extremists out there, Beto included, but I don't see them as the norm. IMO, we can't make judgements based on the extremes, as nothing would ever get accomplished. I know a lot of Dems, independents and Republicans and I've never heard anyone say we should take away guns from law abiding individuals. You would also be surprised how many of the gun owners are Democrats. The "get rid of all guns" sector is very small, unfortunately some of them are very vocal.
And trust in the government, or trust at all, is sometimes difficult. I know a few who don't have trust in almost anything, especially government, but yet they trust in a lot on a daily basis and don't even think about it.

 

What do you call it when the state and industry collaborate to push the state's agenda

Hints:
- It starts with n "F"
- It was popular in Europe, from the mid 1920s to 1945.

When you get the answer, you'll understand why the Democrats love the idea.

 

We aren't supposed to have to think about it all the time, that's what the Bill of Rights is for but by the same token, we can't just blindly trust people who may pose a threat to something we hold as important and basic. Who was it said "trust but verify"?

 

If the government does not know where the guns are, it cannot confiscate them; if it does, it can.
No reason to let the government know, so...

Registration, in any form, cannot prevent the "wrong hands" from getting guns.
Thus, there's no reason to have it.

 

I think it was George H. Bush, talking about Russians, but he may have borrowed it from a longer ago president.

 

Any number of people argue for any number of guns bans.
Gun bans, however, do not reduce access to firearms already on the market, and thus, will have no effect on the crimes the bands are enacted to prevent.
So, at some point, the argument will shift "well, the ban did not work, we need to confiscate".
This is why Democrats register guns.

 

What if tracking guns accurately and timely would save some people from dying by gun violence? Wouldn't that be a reason?
And yes, registration can prevent the guns from getting into the wrong hands, thus there is a reason to have it.

 

How do you think this would work?
An alarm goes off when someone steaks a gun, or buys one illegally?

No. It can't.
Registration cannot prevent someone from stealing a gun
Registration cannot prevent someone from selling or buying a gun illegally
Registration cannot prevent the person to whom the gun is registered from committing a crime with it.
Registration, in any form, cannot prevent the "wrong hands" from getting guns.
Thus, there's no reason to have it.