Obama Administration's War Against The Second Amendment...Continued...

It is in Article 1, Section 8 regarding the discipline to be prescribed by our federal Congress for the Militia of the United States.

 

dude, for the last time, there is no "militia" of the United States. Technically , they are called armed forces.
Congress cannot delegate free will militias. Your Cause is to disarm all of America, and I doubt for all your chest thumping and ranting on the same identical posts for over a year now, that you'll get any further around the corner than you have. Your posts have become stagnant and repetitive. You offer no insight to what you are claiming and it has been shown to you on occasions too numerous to count.
Is this your version of the Mussolini Gambit?

 

dude, there is no appeal to ignorance of our own laws.

10USC311 is where the Militia of the United States is defined.

 

Which requires a.....gun.....to protect that life.

Issac Asimov gave even robots that "right" (2nd Law of Robotics I believe)........"a robot may protect its own existence....."

 

discipline is only a part of that clause - here it is in full:



To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress




Officers were to be appointed by the states, not by the feds - this because locals were more familiar with the needs of locals than the feds can possibly be. Therefore, the states had far more discretion than they do today.

It should be borne in mind that our Founders never intended to send armies overseas. They intended to keep armies here to protect against foreign and domestic enemies. Imperialistic wars such as Iraq and Afghanistan were never part of their picture.

 

there is no militia if the United States. There is no law establishing the Militia for the United States.
Now, show us the Militia of the United States.

 

It was created to impose some form of uniformity in the state militias - with individual officers appointed locally as locals were in the best position to determine their own needs - note how they were intended to stop domestic troubles, not foreign troubles as our Founders did not anticipate foreign wars --- in fact they demanded no foreign entanglements:



http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792.htm




Militia Act of 1792,
Second Congress, Session I. Chapter XXVIII
Passed May 2, 1792,
providing for the authority of the President to call out the Militia

Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever the United States shall be invaded, or be in imminent danger of invasion from any foreign nation or Indian tribe, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, to call forth such number of the militia of the state or states most convenient to the place of danger or scene of action as he may judge necessary to repel such invasion, and to issue his orders for that purpose, to such officer or officers of the militia as he shall think proper; and in case of an insurrection in any state, against the government thereof, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, on application of the legislature of such state, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) to call forth such number of the militia of any other state or states, as may be applied for, or as he may judge sufficient to suppress such insurrection.

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act, the same being notified to the President of the United States, by an associate justice or the district judge, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. And if the militia of a state, where such combinations may happen, shall refuse, or be insufficient to suppress the same, it shall be lawful for the President, if the legislature of the United States be not in session, to call forth and employ such numbers of the militia of any other state or states most convenient thereto, as may be necessary, and the use of militia, so to be called forth, may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the ensuing session.

Sec. 3. Provided always, and be it further enacted, That whenever it may be necessary, in the judgment of the President, to use the military force hereby directed to be called forth, the President shall forthwith, and previous thereto, by proclamation, command such insurgents to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes, within a limited time.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That the militia employed in the service of the United States, shall receive the same pay and allowances, as the troops of the United States, who may be in service at the same time, or who were last in service, and shall be subject to the same rules and articles of war: And that no officer, non-commissioned officer or private of the militia shall be compelled to serve more than three months in any one year, nor more than in due rotation with every other able-bodied man of the same rank in the battalion to which be belongs.

Sec. 5. And be it further enacted, That every officer, non-commissioned officer or private of the militia, who shall fail to obey the orders of the President of the United States in any of the cases before recited, shall forfeit a sum not exceeding one year's pay, and not less than one month's pay, to be determined and adjudged by a court martial; and such officers shall, moreover, be liable to be cashiered by sentence of a court martial: and such non-commissioned officers and privates shall be liable to be imprisoned by the like sentence, or failure of payment of the fines adjudged against them, for the space of one calendar month for every five dollars of such fine.

Sec. 6. And be it further enacted, That court martial for the trial of militia be composed of militia officers only.

Sec. 7. And be it further enacted, That all fines to be assessed, as aforesaid, shall be certified by the presiding officer of the court martial before whom the same shall be assessed, to the marshal of the district, in which the delinquent shall reside, or to one of his deputies; and also the supervisor of the revenue of the same district, who shall record the said certificate in a book to be kept for that purpose. The said marshal or his deputy shall forthwith proceed to levy the said fines with costs, by distress and sale of the goods and chattels of the delinquent, which costs and manner of proceeding, with respect to the sale of the goods distrained, shall be agreeable to the laws of the state, in which the same shall be, in other cases of distress; and where any non-commissioned officer or private shall be adjudged to suffer imprisonment, there being no goods or chattels to be found, whereof to levy the said fines, the marshal of the district or his deputy may commit such delinquent to gaol, during the term, for which he shall be so adjudged to imprisonment, or until the fine shall be paid, in the same manner as other persons condemned to fine and imprisonment at the suit of the United States, may be committed.

Sec. 8. And be it further enacted, That the marshals and their deputies shall pay all such fines by them levied to the supervisor of the revenue, in the district in which they are collected, within two months after they shall have received the same, deducting therefrom five per centum, as a compensation for their trouble; and in case of failure, the same shall be recoverable by action of debt or information in any court of the United States, of the district, in which such fines shall be levied, having cognizance therefor, to be sued for, prosecuted and recovered, in the name of the supervisor of the district, with interest and costs.

Sec. 9. And be it further enacted, That the marshals of the several districts and deputies, shall have the same powers in executing the laws of the United States, as sheriffs, and their deputies in the several states have by law, in executing the laws of their respective states.

Sec. 10. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue and be in force, for and during the term of two years, and from thence to the end of the next session of Congress thereafter, and no longer.

APPROVED, May 2, 1792.






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This part delegates the prescription for wellness of regulation to our federal Congress.

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Still no clue and no Cause?

10USC311 is where the Militia of the United States is defined.

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Still no clue and no Cause?

10USC311 is where the Militia of the United States is defined.

 

exactly, no reason for background checks as it's a right, not a privilege to own a gun

background checks would only be needed if it was a privilege rather then a right

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10USC311 says there is. there is no appeal to ignorance of our own laws.

 

where is it? (the United States Militia)

 

Why not appeal to less ignorance of our own laws?

 

just answer the question.......where is the Militia of the United States? your own ignorance is starting to show. Afraid to answer where they are?

 

"clue and cause", "appeal to ignorance", "wellness of regulation" Dude, you are a broken record.

Here is the US Code you are referencing.

10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

You said it yourself that the federal congress sets the standards for the militia. This includes all male citizens of the US between 17 and 45 years of age, all females in the National Guard, and all veteran of active duty military service from 17-64 years of age. The National Guard has the same standards as our active duty military. (I have served in both.)

Please show me the prescribed training standards for the unorganized militia. They have a right to keep and bear arms by your own twisted interpretation of the 2A. Even if gun ownership was reserved to just the militia, that would include most of the US. The 2A states that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

You've shown repeatedly that you don't have a clue, but what exactly is your cause. Are you trying to disarm somebody or are you just trying to be a troll?

 

I did answer the question. There is no appeal to ignorance of our own laws. Our Second Amendment declares a well regulated militia as being necessary not the entirety of the Militia of the United States.

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Only well regulated militias are necessary to the security of a free State.

 

You are adding words to twist the meaning. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is something you choose to ignore and the SCOTUS has ruled on it twice. Were you taught your twisted views by a "well regulated militia"? I have served in one and they taught us no such thing.

 

All rights are subject to due process. If you are a felon, you can't own a firearm. A background check is needed to determine of a buyer is prohibited from owning a firearm n

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Trolling

 

So what. Where did the Judicature find Individual rights in the collective Terms, militia and the people?

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simply appealing to ignorance, again?

 

so, where is this Militia of the Untied States housed?
No every free thinking individual is necessary to the security of a free state. emphasis on FREE THINKING cuz we're usually right all the time

 

All rights are individual

Trolling

 

No, they are not. Militias and the People are not Individual and therefore, must be collective rights.

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dude, simply not understanding the concepts and appealing to ignorance doesn't make you right, merely on the right.

 

ad hoc argument. I asked a simple question while agreeing/not agreeing with you and this is how you honor my question? With insults?
and you still haven't announced your Cause. So, all you are doing is trolling.................
Again, where is the United States Militia located. You have stated it exists, where is it?