Obama Administration's War Against The Second Amendment...Continued...

Correct - and that discipline is to be performed by locally appointed commanders as they are more familiar with the terrain the militia is from. Further proof that our Founders never intended to send our soldiers overseas into foreign wars.

Funny though how so many right wingers fall back on the Constitution and the teachings of our Founders to support the right to keep arms but they also support our involvement in foreign wars. By contrast I take a consistent position: let every American have the right to keep and bear arms and stay the hell out of foreign wars. And that's the TRUTH.

 

dude, simply not understanding the concepts and appealing to ignorance doesn't make you right, merely on the right. There is no appeal to ignorance of our own laws. The Militia of the United States is defined at 10USC311.

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I believe we should not have to take our federal Congress seriously if they are not serious enough to justify wartime tax rates.

 

again, you fail to clarify.
Let me preface this. I served 5 years in the military. There is the USN, Army, Air Force, Coast Guard. All owned and operated by the United States of America, granted through the Constitution, yet I have never heard of a Militia of the United States. Since you claim there is one, I'd sure like to see proof of some kind. establishing any law has to have evidence, or the law is moot. And don't bother with the insults, just show me the money............

 

No court in 250 years has agreed with you.

In understand better than you, since I won in court twice, and you don't know what appeal to ignorance means.

Trolling

 

There was no insult, I was merely stating a fact.

You don't seem to understand the difference between a militia and regular military. Only one is enumerated in our Second Amendment.

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Can you cite which court commuted the collective Terms, Militia and the People, into individual terms?

 

The supreme court

 

Please link evidence of anyone on this forum saying Obama has taken their guns. Else, the delusion is yours.

 

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order.
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simply appealing to ignorance, again. you need to cite the actual case which commuted the Collective terms, Militia and the People into Individual terms.

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Wellness of Regulation must be Prescribed by our federal Congress for the Militia of the United States.

 

yes I do. Now, where is the Militia of the United States?
and yes that was an insult.

 

DC v heller.

 

Can you cite which paragraph commutes the Terms militia and the people into individual terms; both are collective terms.

 

and you need to show us where the Militia of the United/United States Militia is. What base are they occupying? Who is cutting their checks? Where are they training at?

 

So "people" only have a right to worship as collective groups? "People" have protection against unlawful search or seizure in groups? Wow! You learn something everyday.

 

dude, there is no appeal to ignorance of our own laws. 10USC311 defines the Militia of the United States. There is a difference between Militia and regular military.

 

play along...........you are deliberately dodging the question...where is the United States Militia?
I believe you are ignorant about where they are..........you are deflecting the question.

 

that is only partly true -


"in keeping with English usage of the time ... the words "well regulated" referred to the necessity that the armed citizens making up the militia(s) have the level of equipment and training necessary to be an effective and formidable check upon the national government's standing army ...

This view is confirmed by Alexander Hamilton's observation, in The Federalist, No. 29, regarding the people's militias ability to be a match for a standing army: " . . . but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights . . . ."

It is an absolute truism that law-abiding, armed citizens pose no threat to other law-abiding citizens. The Framers' writings show they also believed this. As we have seen, the Framers understood that "well regulated" militias, that is, armed citizens, ready to form militias that would be well trained, self-regulated and disciplined, would pose no threat to their fellow citizens, but would, indeed, help to "insure domestic Tranquility" and "provide for the common defence."


http://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm

 

Here it is for your ease and convenience:

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Doesn't matter since Only our federal Congress can prescribe wellness of regulation for the Militia of the United States.

 

But they can't infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Even by your standards, myself and 1 of my sons are in the unorganized militia and the youngest will be in the militia in 4 years. My oldest is active duty military. Unless I prove to be irresponsible (fat chance) the federal government cannot infringe my right to keep and bear arms. I suspect that you'll find that most households have a militia member living there. Are you trying to deny self defense to the elderly and fatherless households? I bet the court would rule that disarming all non-militia households would put minorities at greater risk. Is that what you're after? The 2A is an individual right. The militia clause only states the purpose, but the right belongs to individual people.

DC vs. Heller

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, butdoes not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operativeclause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that itconnotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

 

so, you have no clue or Cause about the Militia of the United States of America.
Oh, it matters, you keep bleating about the Militia of the United States and there is no such critter.

 

Neither are collective terms.

Trolling

 

appealing to ignorance is trolling against philosophy.

Both militia and the people are collective terms. thus, no rights in private property may be established since only well regulated militias may keep and bear Arms for their State or the Union regardless of rights in private property for Individuals.

 

who comprises the Militia? Where are they stationed?
this is how you lose, you refuse to answer a direct question............that's all you know.

 

Refuted. Trolling.

 

rahl - You have referenced the SCOTUS a million times and I quoted the SCOTUS directly refuting Danielpalos' interpretation of the 2A on post #544. He has ignored it to continue trolling.

Danielpalos - Read #544 and the attached link. My interpretation is the same as the SCOTUS, which is the same as the founding fathers. Your side lost. Get over it. You will be happier. This never ending denial of reality is kind of disturbing. I hope you are OK.