Obama:If you’ve got a business ,you didn’t build that.

He won a popularity contest to become the top bureaucrat in a sprawling empire. That the government-run public schools have for a hundred years pushed political success as the greatest type of success doesn't make it so. Being a parasite is easier and far less honorable than creating wealth for the community or country or world through hard work, great personal risk, and commitment and determination.

 

Or, running a soup kitchen, or caring for the elderly, or being a firefighter...

 

This is one thing we can credit Obama for:

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The difference between a parasite and predator is entirely opinion.

 

I've seen little evidence that lefty's "think" although some of them seem fairly bright and well informed. What I don't see is the ability to see beyond talking points, although if truth be told, if I was a lefty, I probably wouldn't need to move much beyond talking points either. You have the MSM to supply that for you. That's something that people on the right don't have, so they have to do more thinking than you do. But since you claim you've spotted me parroting my media, what exactly from my post is the "proof" you are referring to?

I can't speak for others, but for me, my realization of the bias of the media came slowly over the course of many years. No one can just tell you that, you have to see it for yourself. Once my eyes were opened though, I saw just how much the MSM reflects the worldview of the left. As far as the free market goes, if the market is providing something like biased news, well, I don't have to buy that product. Caveat emptor after all. That doesn't mean I want to smash the market, like the Hulk, if it provides something I don't like. That's a leftist conceit, that if the market is providing something the left doesn't like, then "Free Market, SMASH!"

Anyway the market also provides alternatives!

I'll have one of my servants do that.

 

On this forum and another I've begun to re-frequent, most are dissembling, revising and adding their own context to what he "meant"....so, doubtful.

(which in itself, on some level, suggests they know full well how abruptly revealing and damaging his slip is to their collectivist agenda)

 

Someone else didn't do that for husband or I. He paid his way through college and medical school and I paid my way through college and then worked three jobs to help pay his medical school tuition.

We pay more taxes than 49+% of workers that use the same federally funded roads and benefit from the same federally funded programs that our taxes paid for.

This is nothing more than the continuation of Obamas agenda to seperate our country and deem those that earn more than those at the poverty level as takers that need to pay more to support those that failed to take advantage of the education that is afforded to all citizens and or that made bad personal decisions on marriage and birth of children they were unable to support. I am all for helping those that are disabled or have illnesses that keep them from earning a living or attending school. But, I am not for using my taxes to subsidize those that failed to take the initative necessary to support themselves and their families.

Even now their are many State and Federal programs that help families at the poverty level or who are considered low income with financial support for their families and assistance via tution subsidy for them to attend college or technical schools that upon completion will make them eligible for good paying jobs.

A good friend of mine who is 27 years old raising 2 boys while her husband is prision, applied for tution assistance to an X-ray Technology school, graduated and is now working an earning a salary that allows her to pay for housing and car and living expenses.

Those that are motivated can do it if they want to.

 

Good point. One might consider him a predator rather than a parasite.

 

I made great grades in school, I got scholarships for college, I worked two part-time jobs in undergrad to pay for books, I applied for grants, I really pushed the limits of sanity from time to time to get where I am now, but...

I praise God every day for His Divine Providence that smiled upon me to give me the a) intelligence that enabled by hard work to come to noble fruits, b) two parents that watched over me, disciplined me, loved me senseless and kept my spirits and humor up, c) neighbors that looked out after me and came to my rescue when people would try to hurt me, d) the extra spark that made colleges choose me for scholarship over someone with similar grades and scores, e) a boss that took a chance on someone with a lot of schooling but no experience, f) the criminals that screw up every day so that I can earn a living, g) the people who endowed those schools that I went to and kept them going, h) the police that make bad arrests...I can keep going.

I realize that most of us like to think because we worked hard and succeeded we're the only ones that did or that it is our hard work alone that enabled us to succeed. I am certainly not knocking Hudson or her husband, but my guess...and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here is that if he can make it through medical school he's probably above average in IQ. I would also guess that he looks at Hudson, the person who worked multiple jobs, and (hopefully) knows that he wouldn't have gotten where he was without her efforts and labor.

Motivation is a huge factor, true, but I am reminded of the Gospels and my belief that I cannot take credit for what the Lord has put into my life.

Whether the atheists on here roll their eyes or not, I choose to say and maintain that but for the Grace of Almighty God go I. I could have been shot on the streets many a time. I could have had my parents crumble under the stress of poverty and split apart like so many do. I could have been turned down for Georgetown. I could have had any number of other things happen to me and didn't. For some reason, God had a plan for me.

I work for Hospice when I can as a volunteer and I was given a card that said: Sometimes, we are each other's angels.

I take that to heart. I'm not going to sit there and say that the poor need to just work harder because a lot of poor people work hard. I am not going to judge other people because I truly do not wish to be judged. The poor are there as my redemption. If I can love people that are unlovable, if I can love grouchy people, if I can do good even when I think the person might not deserve it then I am disciplining myself and learning humility, so I thank them for that lesson.

I am blessed and know it. Praise the Lord.

 

It's a good thing Obama's big government was around to build the the California and Gila River Trails... and construct the ships that brought the Argonauts...and develop the means of communication that told them all what was going on and where.

Without all this central government inspired and paid for infrastructure, those whiny, needy and government dependend gold rushers would likely have never been able to see what all the hoopla was about in Mr. Sutter's Mill...and San Francisco would likely have never grown from a tiny settlement of 200, to a booming community of 36,000 in 2 years...

All bow to Central Government...we simply couldn't exist without it.

 

Well, if we moved to a consumption tax only it would force the government back to just building roads, delivering mail, regulating commerce, and defending our shores. It would be limited in funds and unable to cause mischief like spying, and each of us would be forced to look to smaller groups and become communities again.

Ideally, I want what Ron Paul is selling, but...since no one else wants that and everyone wants some sort of Big Government...then people should be able to say "I want this facet of Big Government" and someone else want a different one without other people whining about which facet of butt raping they like better.

 

I want no facet of big government.

 

The amazing thing is you made the President point, and you just don't even know it.

 

I vacillate between "too far gone" and "maybe if"....

The reality is we've essentially been enslaved by Big Fed for a century....since 1913...
and after "promote the general welfare" of the United States became "provide for "Bob's" wants and needs"...after Social Security, Medicare, Government employee unions, Welfare, Foodstamps, Section 8, WIC, federal bailouts of private industry, federal "unemployment benefits"....

and the Obamacare ruling...

I'm beginning to have a sickening fear that there are no "tugboats" to remove our shackles....
a fear the Gary Johnsons, Rons and Rand Pauls, the Tea Parties or Occupiers can do nothing to extricate a population from their centrally planned, "fair and socially just" "security" and dependency.

I've decided the progressive tax code was a purposely installed mechanism for dividing a once free and respectful people along class lines....and if not, it's certainly worked out that way

I've decided constututionally protected equal rights to opportunity have become "rights" to "equal" outcomes...be they for individuals or specific "groups"...

all of which, sadly, has culminated in a belief that this "grand experiment" in individual rights and liberty, in respecting our neighbor's private property, and their personally responsible efforts, decisions, and economic freedoms to amass it is....

short of a violent coup, purge and "realignment"....

on the last "from dependency back into bondage" stage of Alexander Tytler's* "cycle".

* attributed, perhaps falsely.

 

I applaud your efforts and successes. I too have been blessed with all that you mentioned. Government, the collective did not attributed directly to my success, and if I was to give any credit to those stepping stones, they would go to the people of America, our friends and family, our soldiers, all who pay taxes. You see, the government fails in almost all things. Take the Great Society put in place by Lyndon Johnson, it has been an utter failure. Trillions of taxpayer money has gone to lift people from poverty, and since 1965, it has not moved the poverty rate one single bit. How is that value for your money. Since Johnson turned Americans into crack welfare recipients, not only has it not improved, it has destroyed the American family. Black out of wedlock births then were around 22%, now they are 72%. My point is, when you give somebody something for nothing, this is what we end up with, and Obama wants to do nothing more than to expand that crack/welfare addiction.

The government can't give you anything without first taking it from someone else.

 

I'm in the "requiring immediate drastic change to pull back from the riptide".

Agreed. Printing money doesn't give it value.

All of which has affected only the Middle Class who pay the burden.

It is not their faults that we are too big a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) to vote for them and continue to freebase off Democrat and Republican puppets.

I would add, fearing flight of robber barons who already prime the pockets of Congressman to reduce Reagan's already low capital gains rate further also created entitlements for the rich, thus sandwiching the Middle Class between the Scylla of supporting the poor through entitlements and the Charybdis of watching their wages and jobs diminish as the rich took both the low capital gains structure and the incentive for cheap labor and rushed their factories overseas and avoid paying their share of the taxes by offshoring their monies,

once again putting the burden of the entitlement programs, defense budget, and all the infrastructure that they, too, use on MY shoulders, YOUR shoulders, and everyone else who decided to remain "Americans" and not globalists.

I disagree, a large voter turnout for Johnson, wherein the Ron Paul followers leave to add support to him will scare the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the system and slow it down laying the groundwork for a Johnson or Paul to get in the next time.

But that takes a leap of faith, which is revolution.

I'll offer up cutting entitlement programs in half or even 3/4 if Charybdis is also handled appropriately. Freedom is no longer "freedom" if I'm the only one paying for other people's ability to live as they choose.

Where's my freedom?

 

I agree. It is our neighbors, our lovers, our parents, our children...the strangers we meet that turned a dark day a little less bleak with a well-timed smile--these are the people that have made us, molded us, and helped shape our success. The government only paved my roads.

But it is also these people, even the ones you don't think helped you that did shape your life in unknown ways.

The first day of kindergarten Clarence Washington was on the other end of the teeter toter and got off when he was at the bottom, forcing me to come slamming down. I learned that not everyone that I'm partnering with can keep up their share of the work, so I better be prepared to fall.

When I won the science fair and got a sheet of paper with a gold star instead of a trophy like the sports starts got, I learned that the world isn't always going to appreciate your skills, but...to thine own self be true.

The first person who stole my sneakers taught me to look around vehicles or be careful around tall bushes. That probably saved my life later.

The homeless people who take the sandwich I give them or a cup of coffee enable me to say "Hello Jesus" that morning and go about my day a little happier.

I don't think, quite frankly, that it should be the government providing welfare. It's just money, and money in and of itself is nothing. What should happen is that we reach out to each other like human beings and say, "I know you made some bad choices, so did I...here's how I recovered. Let me help."

The soldiers, the firefighters, even the police (I'll accept there are good cops out there)...those guys deserve raises, tax breaks, and anything else we can throw at them, and don't. Without them...I wouldn't be here, either.

I didn't do it on my own. I did a lot of it on my own. And I feel extremely luck to have figured that out.

 

Most leftists like Obama conflate "government" (which can occur on different scales) with the modern iteration of the centralized state. The latter is a subset of the former, but then former is not limited to the latter, so while "government" may have been part of or instrumental to many advances in human society (even the family unit is a form of government, technically speaking), that does not mean the modern, centralized state should necessarily be included in that discussion, especially when you consider the FACT that EVERYTHING the centralized state does is TOTALLY dependent upon the wealth creation of PRIVATE entities. Obviously, then, if the centralized state, the iteration of government Obama and leftists so love, cannot exist with private wealth creation, then there is no way he can claim that his beloved government is the societal foundation upon which private business is built...

 

Well, it's because they think if you can print money you have wealth and that deficits don't matter. Of course, both parties have fed them this line of bull(*)(*)(*)(*), but...that's the theory.

 

That does not mean he or she did not "build" their business. It means they attended school. You statists are living in a delusional fantasy world if you think "you didn't build that" is an acceptable thing to say to buisiness owners. Having help along the way does not mean someone else "built" your business, especially when those others - police, teachers, etc. - ARE SALARIED EMPLOYEES WHO RELY ON TAX REVENUES. They aren't doing you a favor by educating your children, they are performing the function that they are mandated to perform in exchange for monetary compensation. It's also a function that any private analog could perform. You literally have no argument.

 

True, true, but only one party is publicly attacking private business and free enterprise and that makes them more damaging to our social fabric.

 

Hmmm, what did the Republicans do for small businesses exclusively when in office last? I have a list of things that large businesses have accessible to them. We could chat upon them for a long time if you like?