Obama:If you’ve got a business ,you didn’t build that.

If there was big money in teaching children.. a private analog would have taken it over a long time ago.

What Obama said wasn't wrong.. the way he said it was wrong.. it was stupid of him to use that choice of words considering the idiot masses that are waiting like rabid dogs .. waiting to pounce on the slightest opportunity to spin.. to take words out of context.... outright lie to serve political/ideological/financial agenda's.

In a nutshell... Big business doesn't exist without law and infrastructure... Big business is joined at the hip with the government... especially in the U.S at this point in time. To deny this self evident truth in order to have a platform in which to spin the truth, in order to villify an already questionable President is to sink to the lowest form of demagoguery....

So many real issues to fight him on... but the right-wing bosses don't want to fight the real battles.. because they are guilty of 90% of the same things the left-wingers are guilty of. .. So the battles take place over every stupid inanae subject that doesn't deal with the main problem .. Corruption and Money

 

The Bush tax cuts were a good thing for small businesses. They also stopped the Democrats from passing cap and trade legislation, which is probably the best thing the Republican party has done in decades, if not ever. They forced Obama and the Dems to keep the Bush tax cuts in place. The House under the GOP has passed ACTUAL entitlement reform, has repealed the Obamacare monstrosity; the Senate GOP has submitted a serious "jobs plan" that cuts taxes and reduces the regulatory burden on private businesses; and they are the only party that has members who vigorously defend capitalism against the heinous attack of Obama and company (Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Mitch Daniels, Jim Demint, Gary Johnson, Chris Christie, Scott Walker, John Huntsman, Marco Rubio, etc.).

 

To subscribe to Warren's and Obama's Marxist narrative...

you must believe, or have been indoctrinated to believe the human group "business owners" are taking "unfair" advantage of identical infrastructure that is equally and rightfully available to the "everyone" group....

you must believe, or have been indoctrinated to believe equal rights and liberty to access opportunity does not apply to those who languish bitterly in their cubicles, jails, rehab, gutters or on the government teat....

you must believe, or have been indoctrinated to believe those who employ their individual rights, liberty and personal responsibility to take advantage of infrastructure available to all are merely "lucky"

it is truly sick....and is destroying this nation.

 

Wow. You demonstrate astounding ignorance with your first statement. Not a good start.

First of all, private education has existed in this country since its founding and has formed the backbone of our education "system" for over a hundred years. We had high literacy rates during that time, so it obviously was working.

Second of all, privately run charter schools are popping up ALL OVER THE COUNTRY and replacing their failing public counterparts. California and Louisiana are leading the way in that regard.

Lastly, public schools wouldn't exist without the private wealth creation of markets. We had some form of government in the Americas since the Europeans showed up but our first public school didn't come till hundreds of years later in Boston when the city's elite had accumulated enough PRIVATE wealth to finance its existence.

It was wrong. Telling the person who built a business "you didn't build that" is fundamentally wrong on every level.

 

Question, do you consider yourself "average" or even "below average" in intelligence?

Be honest.

Okay, so we've decided "above average"...you have drive + above average intelligence. You have work ethic + above average intelligence. People like you will not only have the drive to get ahead but the capability to do so, as well.

This lovely lady on my block, just nicest person but, unfortunately, as about half our population was below average in intelligence and not a beauty queen either. Every day she drove her beat up car over to the mall where she worked in security. Showed up every single day, complained about the deadbeats, just...did all the right, ethical stuff. As she got promoted for doing her job and being a great employee eventually her salary got too high to justify keeping her as consumer demand for mall products died off. It was cheaper to keep the "just out of high school" kids.

She couldn't have started a business. My mother--whose native tongue wasn't even English--had to help her with her taxes.

While I don't agree with the government being the caretaker/nurturer over churches and people that actually can provide emotional support, I can understand why liberals who aren't politicians want to help people like her and want her to have a safety net.

She did the best she could with the skills she had and in the end was a waste product of a bad economy.

As to the equal infrastructure...we could have had better food, better clothes, more stuff but my parents refused to send us to the public school and have us receive a horrible education, the type of which poorer districts in the US receive. So, they made us eat cheese sandwiches for months on end so we could go to Catholic school. Had they had one more kid or if I had one less parent this would not have been possible and I would have never become what I am now had I gone to a Detroit public school in my area.

I get that no one likes taxes. I certainly hate paying for mine. I just don't lose sight of the fact that people have good intentions, good hearts, and sometimes those good intentions end up creating unintentional bad results.

And then there are people who really don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) and will trample over you for a dime...and we look up to them.

I want less government because I hate most of the heartless, evil people who go into politics. I don't trust them with my well-being. To have less government I have to force it to receive less taxes so that it will starve it to death.

 

It's the standard collectivist drivel that asserts the collective and downplays the individual. Wouldn't want anyone to forget that they're "part" of the Borg-like entity statists refer to as "society", the nebulous justification for every infringement of individual liberty in history...

 

Come to our side, Zo, it's nice and warm over here...

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I'm a civil libertarian, but I have a big heart and endless compassion for people who don't have my many, many, many advantages.

 

Absolutely. This President is the least motivating President since Carter probably more so. "Elect me and I will give you everything you need to lead your life and make that evil man over there pay for it" motivates NO ONE to improve their lot and become productive citizens. The liberals here make no bones that to them a productive citizen is one who goes out everyday and spends someone else money.

 

I have compassion for all people, regardless of what advantages they may have had in life. If a billionaire tripped, I'd try to catch them. People are people. Arbitrary distinctions based upon income and success are just divisive and wrong.

 

Fair statement. Same here.

I honor the struggle that anyone goes through. There is life within that struggle. I don't pity those who struggle in life because it is often the greatest opportunity for them to learn what they are made of. I have hope for them that they will find more in themselves than they knew was there. If you look back over your life it is the overcoming of obstacles that are the key turning points that define us. Sure, there is the instant urge to stop a person's struggle, but does that really serve them? I believe most people can see it through the hard times, that they have it in them to do so.

 

Stop it stop it stop it! He WAS NOT taken out of context! He knows exactly what he is saying, and who he is saying it to AT ALL TIMES! He believes in the COLLECTIVE and NOT the INDIVIDUAL! This is what he is all about....why do people continue to make excuses for this idiot! He should be president of Cuba, Venezuela, or China....NOT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Freedom loving people better realize this sooner rather than later. Because if they don't and this treasonous marxist ass wins in November we are all DOOMED!

 

I shall look to Jane Austen's Emma for my response to say that, there are people that are as much above my notice as below it and that for those I can be of no service, therefore it is best that I should lend my talents and attention to those of whom it can be of use.

While I am not of the mindset that the rich should be boiled and eaten, neither do I feel that they require my service, my respect of compassion for assuredly the lack of this has not held them back. They do just as well without my service and have certainly attained their earthly-rewards without my help or guidance.

However, you seem to have a great sympathy for those whose Tesla's require new rims or yachts are chipping so I will look to you to supply them with the requisite care and professed compassion, that way they have you as their champion whilst the poor have to make do, sadly, with me.

 

I have sympathy for them insofar as they human and each human has their own personal struggles, but beyond that, I have no special feeling for them or desire to serve them. I just think they should have lower taxes and less regulatory burden so our economy can recover and every single person, poor and rich, can experience the rising tide of private wealth creation.

 

I am pleased to note your sympathy and I'm sure they appreciate it and take it to heart. It is quite kind of you.

I think we all should have lower taxes. To achieve this we should slash government spending across the board and do away with agencies whose outcomes cannot justify the budget, be it modern welfare, the CIA, or DEA.

If people in the middle class had more disposable income after taxes perhaps they would start businesses for assuredly they cannot look to large corporations to supply them. Someone as bright as you can certainly see there is no way that taxes can be brought low enough to compete with $.85 an hour labor, so providing them with additional enticements won't work. They'll take those enticements and make more profits by also continuing to use cheap overseas labor.

After all, why wouldn't they? More profit is better than less profit.

We need an economy that will promote start ups and entrepreneurs. That takes giving someone with a good idea enough cash and incentives to use it in the creation of a new business.

 

Nice to see the context of the message. Now it makes sense - Obama was simply pointing out that you alone did not build your business, that you had other great minds and hard workers helping you to do it. That's a good message, and it's clear that people like you are attacking a presidential straw man.

 

Don't go too far with this. Individuals damage 'society' every day but making a successful business isn't usually one of those acts. Libertarians are notoriously blind to the negative social externalities their quest for individual freedom yield up as unintended/unaccounted for consequences.

 

Well....... do you really think that one person or group of "persons" can not start his own business ? Or do you think that government regulations make it impossible for that to happen?

 

He's like Det. Frank Drebin behind the plate at Yankee Stadium as he calls everything a strike and the crowd goes wild. Additionally, it's easier when you believe this crap. Obama surely does.

 

Great thought. Your INDIVIDUAL compassion should be backed with your INDIVIDUAL effort and funding. Also, feel free to join the appropriate like minded organizations. Most churches line up with your ideas.

I'll do the same.

 

What we "need" is a government which recognizes...
that with individual rights and liberty comes warts
and to just accept such as an inherency...

instead of interminably attempting to centrally plan and socially engineer and manipulate and "compassion" and "empathy" the warts away.

 

It's not any kind of special sympathy. It's the sort of sympathy I extend to all humans. In terms of morally-based arguments, distinctions between rich and poor are arbitrary, I think. Rich and poor have no inherent relation to "good and bad" or "moral and immoral" or even "ethical and unethical". If a rich man were drowning in a lake, I would extend my hand to him, same as I would a poor person. I would not expend any more or less effort than was necessary to effectuate a moral outcome, the income status of the individual is irrelevant. That is why I find some leftist arguments to be so disturbing in that regard. If one wants to make an economically-based argument on progressive taxation or raising taxes, that's fine, but turning policy discussions into a moral crusade against rich people is just flat-out wrong and should not endorsed, tacitly or otherwise. If you think I am wanting special treatment or privileges for the "rich", then you are mistaken. I want precisely the opposite. I want them to be treated, under the law, as equals, no more, no less. My advocacy for lower taxes and less regulations stems from my economic philosophy, not from any special feelings I have for CEOs. I simply believe, based upon the evidence I have reviewed over the years, that low taxes and less regulation are better for business and for the economy in general. Like your sig says, the more laws, the less justice...

 

This would be a separate issue, of course, but to answer: I think that both government regulations and impossible competition from large corporations often make starting a new business very difficult. Then you have to consider just what kind of business you're talking about, because there

 

Oddly, I don't believe that I asked you to pay for it nor did I advocate an entitlement program.

 

Collectivist thought is dangerous. In fact, there is no "collective". There are communities, there are families, and their are individuals, but no "collective" that subsumes us all.