Obamacare repeal in the middle of a pandemic???

~ It makes sense to destroy a nations economy - leaving the door open for "big government" to save the nation.
All communist tactics ✔

 

Apples and oranges

 

LINK?

 

No, the $12,000 is what the patient pays, not what the service costs.

 

Nonsense - which is why you can't support your claim that they pay less than the cost. Common sense alone should inform you that national health care systems don't bleed themselves dry to benefit non-citizens.

It should also inform you that private providers don't deliver at a loss - they seek a profit, hence the cost is less than the the amount they charge. Take, for example, these private hospitals in the UK, offering hip replacements at average price of £10,776 (about $13,800) - which includes their profit margin. The cost is obviously less than this.

https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/hip-replacement-total/costs/

 

For whatever reason you ignore government subsidies of medical care. We do not have socialized medicine, yet the ACA costs the taxpayer, not the patient, $2 trillion over 10 years per the CBO a few years ago.

 

We weren't talking about the ACA. I am responding to your claim that Spain charges non-citizens $12,000 for procedures that actually cost the Spanish healthcare system $100,000. Which is nonsense.

 

That is false. The total cost of the program over ten years was a trillion... mostly paid by premiums

 

Sorry, the total cost was $2 trillion which the CBO reported as federal government deficit increase.

 

WASHINGTON, Sept 28 (Reuters) - The head of a top U.S. government health agency gave a grim assessment of the coronavirus pandemic that contradicts that of President Donald Trump, saying "We're nowhere near the end," NBC News reported on Monday.

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who has been rebuked by Trump for less-rosy assessments of the coronavirus recovery, also expressed concern that Trump's late addition to the coronavirus task force, Dr. Scott Atlas, is sharing inaccurate information with the president.

"Everything he says is false," Redfield said in a telephone call Friday on a plane from Atlanta to Washington, NBC reported.
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...-on-coronavirus-were-nowhere-near-the-end-nbc

 

Democrats had total control of the government. Anything that Obama didn't get in his package was entirely because some Democrats didn't vote for it. Republicans couldn't reject anything. We got ACA without a single Republican vote.
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Yet republicans got over 100 amendments to the ACA bill over a period of 14 months, proving they were disingenuous hypocrites, they had no intention of voting on it, all along.

Obama only had a filibuster proof majority in the senate for about 70 days. That was the extent of his 'total control'.

 

Actually, I did. Obama's assertion of a $2,500 premium savings that you pointed out was based on an assumption he made at the time of his remark. Something you failed to mention. The assumption being the US would have universal health care during his first term. Not the bastardized version foisted on Americans by Repub's intransigence.
Hence your error. Whether it was purposeful or not I do not know.

 

The Court is merely hearing the case in Nov...it wouldn't be decided for months...likely next Summer before we get an opinion.

The pandemic will be well over.

 

Why do the people making errors always accuse others of being wrong. I asserted that Obama lied big time when he stood in front of the American public numerous times in 2010 or 2011and proclaimed over and over that the average family would save $2500 in premiums with his and the Democrats ACA. You responded that Obama declared in 2007 that with his universal care plan families would save $2000 a year. Hence my red wagon - raining analogy. Now you are doubling down on the rain. I didn't fail to mention his 2007 remark. I completely ignored it because it has nothing to do with anything. Plus you intransigently stick to your smoking gun with no bullets that somehow the Republicans had anything whatsoever to do with what Obama got or or didn't get.

 

I just looked and that’s not what I found. What link are you using? If any

 

The CBO report of February, 2014.

 

Prove it.

 

Why do you never provide links to your sources?

 

Link to it then

 

I'll help him. He is of course wrong

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231

1.4 trillion COST over 10 years...and a net POSITIVE because of premiums etc.

Those estimates address only the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA; they do not constitute all of the act’s budgetary effects. Many other provisions, on net, are projected to reduce budget deficits. Considering all of the provisions—including the coverage provisions—CBO and JCT estimated in July 2012 (their most recent comprehensive estimates) that the ACA’s overall effect would be to reduce federal deficits.

 

Go find it yourself. I'm not your servant.

 

Dependably so.

 

Covid patients are treated free of charge and it has zip to do with Obama care. Try again.

 

Covid care is free, insurance or not.

 

But those 7 (or likely 10) million Pre-existing (covid) conditions will be there forever