One Nation, what a bitches brew party....

Go back and read the 14 Signs of Fascism link that I gave you which clearly prove that One Nation is a fascist party!

If you don't understand those signs of fascism then that is not my problem.

 

lol. the right wing only cares about natural rights in abortion threads.

 

Birrhright citizenship is not a human right, and I don't know about anyone else, but natural rights are a silly concept as far as I am concerned.

That is, normative facts embedded in the fabric of the universe in the way descriptive facts are.

 

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism. They support withdrawal from the Refugee Convention, they are moderately nationalist. So are the Catalonians.

2. Disdain for human rights. Not at all, One Nation support the abolition of the RDA and restoration of our human right to free speech. Free migration is not a human right.

3. Identification of scapegoats. I'll give you this one, they are too much on the populist rhetoric. That said, they do not support deportation of citizens, or as far as I can see any measures whatsoever against Muslims or anyone else. They want to stop future migration.

4. Supremacy of the military. They are not overly hawkish. Not any more than any other party.

5. Rampant sexism. Party is led by a woman, they oppose identity politics but this is not sexism, it is rationality.

6. Controlled mass media. As far as I can gather they want to abolish government media, not consolidate it.

7. Obsession with national security. Again, no more than the LNP or ALP.

8. Theocracy. As far as I can gather One Nation aren't all that religious at all.

9. Corporate power is protected. Not any more than the major parties. Indeed being a somewhat populist party they do better than the major parties on some issues.

10. Labor power is suppressed. No right wing party is cool with trade unionism.

11. Diadain for the arts. Not wanting tax money spent on the arts =/= disdain for the arts.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. I'll give you this one, like most right wing parties they support stronger police force and harsher penalties in a country where you can get 4 years for rape.

13. Rampant corruption. Nope.

14. Fraudulent elections. Not at all, indeed they support citizen initiated referenda.


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To summarise, what makes them fascist apparently is:

• They don't like entangling alliances and multilateralism.
• They support increased free speech but oppose mass immigration.
• They support a Burqa ban and don't like Islam.
• They want more cops on the beat.

We could play a similar game with Communism instead of fascism and see how most developed Western nations tick off at least half of Marx's planks listed in TCM, but I doubt you'd like that.

Ticking off 3 or 4 of these planks does not necessarily make you fascist. Churchill's Great Britain fits half of these, as does FDR's United States.

So I ask again, how are One Nation fascistic. Be specific.

 

I rest my case, Steady Pie.

 

Brilliant response! I'm personally no fan of The Paulster, but some VERY liberal folk I know have no problem with One Nation, so I have had to acknowledge that my own 'conservatism' prevents me from regarding them clearly and rationally. And I suspect that the majority of those who regard themselves as Progressives, are utterly incapable of relinquishing their grip on dogma enough to ever really think about politics in grown up fashion. It's like expecting a fundamentalist Christian to consider Wicca. Ideology is a nasty nasty business.

 

yes, it is; why do you believe it isn't?

 

You almost have to feel sorry for Pauline Hanson. She has some utter idiots in her gang.
Pauline Hanson's One Nation candidate Steve Dickson resigns over strip club videos

These family men who can’t hold their grog and behave like 14 year old boys are going to be the downfall of One Nation, and tha ALPand the LNP and every other party.
“ I had one small port wine and everything went black! “
(A quote from “Puckoon” by Spike Milligan)

 

Because you don't have the right to illegally enter a country, plop out some children, have them as citizens then chain migration your family in. Natio ns have a right to deter such action by denying the child citizenship.

Indeed, 165 nations reject birthright citizenship. 30 have it.

 

You own Confirmation Bias is showing in your responses given how many EXCUSES and WHATABOUTISM you used to try and explain away the OBVIOUS signs of fascism in the One Nation party.

Worth bearing in mind that the National Socialist party did not start out as being entirely fascist out there but it did have the same signs that you just conceded in your response.

Look around the world and you will see signs of fascism on the rise everywhere. You allegedly "hate fascism" but you are willing to turn a blind eye to it when it aligns with your own bigotry towards Muslims. That is the problem that YOU CREATE when you provide your SUPPORT and ENCOURAGEMENT to fascist parties like One Nation.

What happens when YOUR support and encouragement for the fascist One Party results in them gaining power over the entire nation? Do you really want to live under a fascist regime? Because that is EXACTLY what you are doing by voting for them. You are essentially making the fascist One Nation party into a legitimate option to ruin Australia in the future.

 

If your standard for fascism makes fascists out of:

54% to 76% of Australians
Most of Asia
Most of the nations who fought fascism

It might suggest your standard is flawed.

How many of these does the Democratic Party fit, in whole or in part? 6 by my count.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

 

I forgot Fraser “Final Solution” Anning , Malcolm “ I’m a scientist” Roberts, and herself, Pauline “ I’m a Muslim woman” Hanson.

 

DESPERATION duly noted for the record!

 

A better example of mononueronis asynapsis I have yet to see.

If brains were dynamite that lot could not collectively blow off thier own hats!

Just shows there is no position so extreme that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE will not vote for it - although in Annings case, the 14 who voted for him were probably using the alphabet method

 

Were WWII Britain and the US fascist nations?

Your standard must be consistent.

 

Your desperation is consistent and understandably so.

 

Okay so you have no interest in establishing a consistent standard, noted.

I have not been adversarial at any point in this discussion but you have at every stage, as per usual.

 

Pitiful attempt at self justification despite the documented record of your own desire to support the fascist One Nation party.

 

The party you refuse to justify calling fascist despite repeated and patient prompts to do so.

 

Kneejerk denialism of the factual content of my posts does not alter them one iota.

 

Kneejerk? I did a 250 word point by point reply. YOU are the one who has failed to substantiate his claims at any point.

Put up or shut up.

 

The number of words in your STRAWMAN DEFLECTION has zero relevance to your own post stipulating that you intend to vote for the fascist One Nation party.

 

At no point have you even approached justifying your baseless claim that they are a fascist party.

Go join my thread from a couple of days back and do something you never have - actually back anything you say up with even a shred of evidence.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-one-nation-a-fascist-party.554969/

I have stated I have an open mind on this, you need to offer something other than logical fallacies and weaselling.

 

Ironic PROJECTION on your part duly noted for the record!

 

Ironic? Do you even know what that word means, or are you Alanis Morrisette level illiterate? Are you saying that it is expected that I would make logical arguments without weaselling, and that it is humerously unexpected that I did not?

You're all over the shop mate.

Come back when you are prepared to argue like an adult.