Only 11,445 New cases in Florida past 24 hours

Nice poster. Where did the percentages come from?

 

Fauci said he BS'd about masks early on because they were afraid the great unwashed and unworthy might get it in our heads to buy up a lot of the PPE. They could have used the Defense Production Act to snap up goods in the public pipeline and told us calmly about masks. Beats me why they didn't.

 

No sure now. I'm not sure anyone can put firm numbers on it. I tend to doubt a mask provides a good deal of personal protection. Put on goggles and this mask...



... for good protection. Or if you're more serious...


... it blows air into your mask through a n100 filter. Put on goggles and you're pretty safe.

Why hasn't the government used the Defense Production Act to make the PPE we need? We want to beat this virus down to where we can safely reopen the economy, test, and contact trace to cut off transmission chains.

They did it in British Columbia (5m people) without good PPE. They've been opening the economy, step by step, since mid-May. Imagine what we can do if we turn loose American industry.

 

A risky strategy given we don't know how long immunity lasts. What if SARS-CoV-2 is like other coronaviruses and you can be reinfected within a few months?

Why is that? British Columbia with two-thirds of their 5m people living in the greater Vancouver-Victoria metro area averages about ten cases a day.

Dr. Bonnie Henry, the Chief Medical Officer in British Columbia, told BCers they were going to flatten then squash the curve. They've been reopening since mid-May after having done exactly that.

Not if we find a cure or effective treatments.

R0>1 for many small communities of a few thousand people.

British Columbia never had a stay-at-home order. In fact, people were encouraged to get out and get exercise.

Testing and contact tracing are powerful tools in reducing R0 by cutting off transmission chains.

 

Tens of thousands of new cases a day are necessary if we are going to get through this with our society, civility and sanity intact.
That many cases would overwhelm the hospitals, clinics and the rest. Doctors and nurses would be overwhelmed themselves, and they too would get sick. After so many 10k days of people getting sick, there will be no "society, civility and sanity".

Best thing, put as many resources into the vaccine(s) as much as possible. We are going to need a vaccine.

 

Dementia ?


People who live a long time generally don't suicide.

They would give their life to save the life of their kids but that isn't the case.BC​

 

Going from "I cant say right now whether or not I wouldn't be just a little bit understanding of the alleged suspect's motives", my words, to "cheer on the victim's relative that brutally aniholates the murderer's entire extended family", your words, is a pretty massive leap. I don't have to approve of someone's motives in order to understand them - think you over-reacted Labour.

 

Well China did li if you don't understand that there's no point in talking you are too much in denial of reality so, so long

 

What should have Trump done?

 

So how many other countries did the u.s. in fact please write me a list.

As far as the spread among the u.s. citizens we have this thing called the Constitution and that is the Supreme law do you not understand this or do you just want to throw it in the trash at every opportunity if you want that just move to China you'd probably be happier there.

 

look I don't waste my time explaining how he can tell the Earth is round to a flat earther and I don't waste my time talking to anti-vaxxers believe whatever you want I don't care.

If you choose to be insulted that is your problem.
I'm not now nor will I ever be sorry.

 

so you think most car accidents are either an act of God or purely intentional? I imagine a few of them are just you're welcome to draw malfunction something you couldn't know about but the big majority of them is absolutely negligence.

It was an apt comparison.

grief anger and pain like that is something that happens thousands if not hundreds of thousands of times on a daily basis. I will never understand someone who goes out of murdering rampage because they're having difficulty coping.

so why wouldn't you understand the person who goes on a killing rampage 4 people just not being in the house? If wearing a mask and social distancing save some more people then certainly placing the entire population under house arrest saves even more.

how much of the liberty that we have here are you willing to give up in why is your threshold understandable but nobody else's is?

 

As of the time of writing, America is 13th worst in the world in terms of infections per million population. And before you jump in and say, “that’s because we test so much”, America is 9th worst in the world in terms of deaths per million population.

So yeah, America is really one of the worst countries in the world in terms of controlling the virus.

I am aware of the constitution. I recognise that it might put some limits on the government’s ability to do things that might be possible in other countries. But the Constitution is irrelevant for measuring America’s (lack of) success in controlling the virus.
It might be a reason for the lack of success, but it doesn’t affect the measurement.

And by any measure, America is one of the worst countries in the world for controlling the spread of the virus.

 

In order to control the virus you would have to control people. We don't do that here. I salute the president for not doing that here.

If you want to live in a country that controls its subjects better move to one I suggest North Korea.

 

So you criticise China for not doing more to contain the spread if the virus, even though they did FAR more than trump did, while at the same time celebrating trump for not doing as much to contain the spread of the virus?

That is - to say the least - somewhat inconsistent.

By the way, I’m not saying it would be better to live in a country with fewer freedoms. Just that you’re being quite inconsistent.

 

That are calling it "freedom" to not wear mask but it is actually infringing on the freedom of others and the most un-patriotic and un-American thing to do during a pandemic when the health and lives of other are at risk for not doing so.

 

that's if I accept the idea that China did more to stop the spread which I reject completely they spread it to the entire world.

You can't list another country that Donald Trump spread it to.

your strawman fallacy yes. maybe you should have thought it through before you fabricated it.

False your strawman is inconsistent with my argument.

I don't believe China did anything to contain it. China created it. China spread to the rest of the world.

 

cause that 'crap' is exactly how China handled it, they also lied to their people and said they had it under control, Trump is no different

 

By handling it they infected the rest of the world.

They didn't contain it at all.

 

And when it arrived here Twitler lied to the American people and you know it!

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/mar/20/how-donald-trump-responded-coronavirus-pandemic/

 

Arrived to America from where?

 

And Trump did less to contain it within the country once it arrived than virtually every other country in the world.
He did less to protect his own citizens than almost any other leader. He failed his own citizens.

 

Again, there is a constitution in the United States which limits the power of the government to control people.

Trump couldn't do anything he is bound by the Constitution which is a good thing.

He can't control people because there is a constitution here.

 

So you believe the origins gives Trump an excuse to ignore and lie about it thereby putting American lives at risk? You sure you want to die on that hill for a grifter?

 

I'm sorry you're going to have to do more to prove that Trump lied or ignored something.

Otherwise I'm just going to dismiss you as one of the orange man bad people.